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Intelligence failure or Failure to listen to Intelligence?
Don Jacob:
all i want to know is were is my fuking oil?
i pay well over 2 bucks a gallon for gas and my car takes premium AND gets like 12 miles per gallon
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: BIGjakeDOGGYdogg on January 13, 2005, 10:49:56 PM ---all i want to know is were is my fuking oil?
i pay well over 2 bucks a gallon for gas and my car takes premium AND gets like 12 miles per gallon
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You thought they were getting the oil to hook you up? Man, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Alot of rich people benefited from this war, and that oil is being sold on the world market and all the fat cats at Halliburton are cleaning up making billions of dollars, it ain't about you. But if you want to go and fight and die in the war then they will pay your family 100,000 if you get killed, that's what they will do for you, that's how you can benefit.
Rampant:
--- Quote from: BIGjakeDOGGYdogg on January 13, 2005, 10:49:56 PM ---all i want to know is were is my fuking oil?
i pay well over 2 bucks a gallon for gas and my car takes premium AND gets like 12 miles per gallon
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dam man that sucks, i thought i had it bad.
I can put regular in and i get 14mpg.
Gas last week was at $1.64 now its gone up to $1.89
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: Rampant on January 15, 2005, 08:26:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: BIGjakeDOGGYdogg on January 13, 2005, 10:49:56 PM ---all i want to know is were is my fuking oil?
i pay well over 2 bucks a gallon for gas and my car takes premium AND gets like 12 miles per gallon
--- End quote ---
dam man that sucks, i thought i had it bad.
I can put regular in and i get 14mpg.
Gas last week was at $1.64 now its gone up to $1.89
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My car gets about 35mpg (british gallons = 4.5 litres) and its fast dump your shitty american car and buy japaneese, you have the chepeast petrol price is the developed world (we pay the equivlant of $5.55/gallon) i really don't know what you complaining about when u have it so good, just shows how much shows how wasteful americans are and don't give shit about anyone else, especially as one of the 2 main reasons petrol is so high is because of your goverments foreign policy and mine too to a lesser extent the other reason is because india and chinas' fast development.
Just for us brits when they pay $2 a gallon its the equivilant of 28.56p/ litre
Jrock:
If we never went into Iraq we wouldn't have known there were no WMD's so your gloating is pointless. Unless you trusted Saddam and believed everything he said. If that's the case then you should question yourself on why you believe a dictator, murderer, and rapist over one of your closest allies? I can say that if Canada had said that Saddam had WMD's and Saddam had said he didn't, I would have believed the good ole Canucks. But, hey I'm just an ignorant, self-serving American so it doesn't matter what I believe.
I think what really needs to be addressed is, how could the United States and its allies all have been so misinformed? Not, "Shouldn't Bush and other government officials resign?" because the resignation of probably 80% (just a guess at the percentage of US government officials who truly believed that Saddam did posses WMD's) of US officials would cause more problems worldwide than the War on Terrorism (yes the War on Terrorism it should've never have been called the war on Iraq). And of course the international governments would also be losing their leaders. Who would take their places? Now I'm not saying our elected officials are perfect and I agree with everything that they do or stand for, or that they're irreplaceable, but I am saying that it would cause mass confusion and chaos that would effect the whole world.
Next I would like to address the statement that you made about "Subsequently this war is then wrong. Now forget about excuses and justifications and the always reliable Plan B excuses (we are better off without Saddam, the people are liberated etc etc) The fact is a war sold on the existence of WMD is wrong if there are no WMD.". I have saved you some research and found several statements and articles about George W. Bush's reasons to go to war with Iraq.
Uday Hussein's threats 01/24/2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/24/wbr.iraq.uday/index.html
Kuwaiti minister calls Iraq 'failed state'2/11/2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/10/sprj.irq.kuwait.sheikh/index.html
Bush: Democratic Iraq could be 'inspiring example' 2/26/2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/26/sprj.irq.un/index.html
Bush: Ending Saddam's regime will bring stability to Mideast 2/27/2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/27/sprj.irq.bush.speech/index.html
Bush: Democratic Iraq could be 'inspiring example' 2/27/2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/27/sprj.irq.wrap/index.html
Bush transcript March 17 2003 2 days before the war on terror was taken to Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/17/sprj.irq.bush.transcript/index.html
Now I'm not denying the fact that the main selling point was WMD's, but you can't refute the fact that it wasn't the only reason. Also, you need to look at the United States history of defending people who are oppressed. In the minds of most Americans freeing 55 million people from the tyranny of Saddam is worth the cost. The problem is it wasn't some unknown underdeveloped country this time, it was the country that George W. Bush's father had went to war with when he was president. People, even Americans, perceived this as a way that Jr. could do what Sr. should have done, instead of twelve years of diplomacy and warnings, by just eliminating the problem.
The last point I want to make is people seem to forget that we were attacked. Maybe it's just the fact that it was by an organization instead of a country that makes it so hard for people to understand. But if Canada, Germany, France or any other country had been attacked the United States would have supported them in bringing the guilty party to justice. Why is that we, the United States of America, have been attacked and so few of our supposed allies are willing to stand with us? Why is it that we are just a bunch of warmongers? Why is it people on the Internet degrade the US for defended not only our selves but also all counties that enjoy the same freedoms we do? Why is it that the problems of the world are the United States fault, but we get no credit for all of the good we do?
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