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Athiests, 7even, question Islam all you want, I have a thread for here for you..
TraceOneInfinite:
Okay, for starters, who is more worthy of our worship than the Creator of this universe and everything in it? Who is more powerful than the Creator of the universe? Who is more worthy of our prayers and submission than the Creator, the Most High? Who should we be more grateful to? Who should we fear more than the Creator?
... Now it's on you to present to me something more worthy of my devotion and submission than the Creator of the Universe. Because that's what Islam is, submission to the will of the Creator.
I'm placing the burden on you to present something more worthy of praise and submission than the Creator.
7even:
You don't need to worship anything in the first place. It's just something I don't do.
Second, how is the Creator the greatest when he doesn't even exist? In my point of view, he just doesn't exist, end of story.
As I take your topic as such and ignore your sarcasm, I am really going to tell you what to do and why.
For a start, you have severe complexes. You are white, but you are ashamed of your skin, which is the ultimate sin.
You like racist black power hiphop, although you are white, which leads to your Master P/The Game... characters - because you hate what hiphop has become, and diss us for listening to Game instead of racist X-Clan Tapes.
Now the NOI comes into the game. What can a poor backpacker do, when he feels like he has a black soul and is doomed with his white skinned body?
He can't become black like MJ became white. So what to do, what to do?
AH!!
HE CAN BECOME A MUSLIM!!
Now, that's just awesome, isn't it? Not quite as good as it would be to become black, but hey, it's fine.
In my opinion that is a) great blasphemy to "use" Allah/the muslim religion in order to deal with your skin complexes and b) you really need help, I suggest you see a psychiatrist.
Sikotic™:
I think we all need to worship something. We worship money, women, material things, success, etc. However all of those things corrupt us. It's in our nature. I'm not trying to come off high & mighty too, because I am guilty of worshipping those things as well.
The purest form of worship is religion in my eyes.
Suga Foot:
Religion is a PART of peoples lives, whether it be a big PART, or a small PART, not everyone feels it's neccessary.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 15, 2005, 12:27:40 AM ---
You don't need to worship anything in the first place. It's just something I don't do.
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Everybody worships something. Even atheists. What you live for is what you worship. If you live for money, it's like worshipping it, if you live for hip-hop, it is a form of worshiping it, if you live for sex or a woman, it's a form of worshipping her. And you still haven't convinced me that anything is more worthy of my worship than the Creator.
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 15, 2005, 12:27:40 AM ---
Second, how is the Creator the greatest when he doesn't even exist? In my point of view, he just doesn't exist, end of story.
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There has to be a Creator. Even if you believe in science than that science or whatever created that science is the creator, eventually it all goes back to something, you just keep going back to the first thing, and eventually you reach the Creator.
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 15, 2005, 12:27:40 AM ---
As I take your topic as such and ignore your sarcasm, I am really going to tell you what to do and why.
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I swear by Allah there was no sarcasm, I respected you and seriously wanted to give you a chance to debate with me, but you seem intent on setting me up as your enemy. Believe me or not, it wasn't my intent to be sarcastic.
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 15, 2005, 12:27:40 AM ---
For a start, you have severe complexes. You are white, but you are ashamed of your skin, which is the ultimate sin.You like racist black power hiphop, although you are white, which leads to your Master P/The Game... characters - because you hate what hiphop has become, and diss us for listening to Game instead of racist X-Clan Tapes.
--- End quote ---
Yes, I love black power hip-hop, but does that make me a racist just because I want to hear music with a little social commentary and purpose? My problem with hip-hop is not the Game or Master P in particular, but personally, I just prefer artists who come with a message, and even if they do make mistakes and come off as racists, I would rather have them atleast attempting to have self-knowledge and self-respect, then just simply degrading women and bragging about how much money they make and bitches they've fucked. Does that somehow mean that I am ashamed of my skin? No, it doesn't. Infact, ask any OG of this forum or the old Dreday forum, back in 99-2001 I got accused of being an Eminem dickrider all the time, and accused of only liking Eminem cause he was white. Your arguement is baseless.
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 15, 2005, 12:27:40 AM ---
Now the NOI comes into the game. What can a poor backpacker do, when he feels like he has a black soul and is doomed with his white skinned body?
He can't become black like MJ became white. So what to do, what to do?
AH!!
HE CAN BECOME A MUSLIM!!
Now, that's just awesome, isn't it? Not quite as good as it would be to become black, but hey, it's fine.
In my opinion that is a) great blasphemy to "use" Allah/the muslim religion in order to deal with your skin complexes and b) you really need help, I suggest you see a psychiatrist.
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What does the NOI have to do with anything. I assume your talking about the Nation of Islam. I have nothing to do with them, I'm an orthodox Muslim, our religion has nothing to do with racial preference. You'll have to explain.
........You said my religion was trash in a thread last week, so I wanted an explanation for those statements. I was going to give you an oppurtunity to debate your side. I was hoping we could have a civilized discussion.
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