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Eminem is the most over-rated producer in hip-hop right now
white Boy:
^ i listened to the album several times.. msot of the times, i was at my friends house, it was avtually like a 15 hour party, and for 8 hours the cd was on loop.. i gave it all the chances i could to see if it would grow on me, but it was just simply wack
On The Edge of Insanity:
This whole argument has got stupid, because for some reason Eminem's apparant "musical" talent is being brought into play, when we were supposed to be discussing his production skills. Producers in other genres don't create the melodies for songs themselves either most of the time. Like when Rick Rubin did that Chilli Peppers album, he just sat and listened to them jam, as then took the best bits, and told them to play this and that together, then switch up to that bit, etc, his main job is to arrange what they play so that it sounds dope. What, therefore is the difference between what he does on a rock record, and what some hiphop producer does. The only difference is that he would take bits from live played music, and a hiphop producer takes the bits they like from old records, and they both then turn these into full tracks. Therefore, Em's supposed "musical" ability shouldn't even be a discussion point in this topic, the only thing we should be discussing is the fact that the large majority of his productions are wack.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Rastaman Vibration on January 29, 2005, 01:07:33 PM ---This whole argument has got stupid, because for some reason Eminem's apparant "musical" talent is being brought into play, when we were supposed to be discussing his production skills. Producers in other genres don't create the melodies for songs themselves either most of the time. Like when Rick Rubin did that Chilli Peppers album, he just sat and listened to them jam, as then took the best bits, and told them to play this and that together, then switch up to that bit, etc, his main job is to arrange what they play so that it sounds dope. What, therefore is the difference between what he does on a rock record, and what some hiphop producer does. The only difference is that he would take bits from live played music, and a hiphop producer takes the bits they like from old records, and they both then turn these into full tracks. Therefore, Em's supposed "musical" ability shouldn't even be a discussion point in this topic, the only thing we should be discussing is the fact that the large majority of his productions are wack.
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No argument here, except that the rock producer like Rubin's job is to make the most out of the track by getting the most out of the artist(s). He may have to add a little thing here and there, but for the most part it's more to do with guiding how it's played and recorded. Hip hop producers are credited for their "composing" skills. You can hear the difference between Rubin produced, and not Rubin produced by listening to the demos and comparing them to the final product. With Hip Hop it's not so easy to do that. I always felt Dre was great at getting the most out of rappers because very often a rapper comes a cross better with him than with out him, but on the musical side I give Dre and all the others no credit. You're right that musical talent has no business in judging production skills but people here judge the producers on the composition because they think the producer had something to do with creating it. If Puffy sampled Leon Haywood's I Wanna Do Something Freaky to You instead of Dre, people here would have just found out the sample and called him a hack like always, but when Dre does it people praise him, some to the extent of calling him Beethoven. That is just plain wrong. The producer is just supposed to take the record away from it's raw roots and make it listenable. When I downplay hip hop producers I don't mean to say any jack ass could do what they do, I mean to say that if any of the big name producers in history like Quincy Jones, Phil Spector, or Mutt Lange, would concentrate on Hip Hop and work with the current rap artists they'd do a much better job, in my opinion. I want to see Rubin get back into hip hop now that he's matured in the rock scene and produce a whole album, so my theory can be put to the test.
BigBDrugStores:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 29, 2005, 11:11:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: white boy on January 29, 2005, 10:44:02 AM ---^ Ok.. so proove it.. make a beat..
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I don't work in a professional studio. If I had the equipment even I could sample some old tunes and make beats.
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oh he pussied out
broken_sword:
i usually don't really dig em's productions, but spend some time & love me are dope as hell in my opinion.
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