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M Dogg™:
Just a question, it's ok to agree of disagree with it, just as long as we don't diss people that see it different. There's a reason Bush won in most eyes, and in a good number of people's eyes, there's a good reason Kerry was a tough challenger. So here we go. An article from the LA TImes.

WASHINGTON — Support for the war in Iraq has continued to erode, but most Americans still are inclined to give the Bush administration some time to try to stabilize the country before it withdraws U.S. troops, the Los Angeles Times Poll has found.

The poll, conducted Saturday through Monday, found that the percentage of Americans who believed the situation in Iraq was "worth going to war over" had sunk to a new low of 39%. When the same question was asked in a similar poll in October, 44% said it had been worth going to war

But when asked whether the United States should begin withdrawing troops after Iraq's election Jan. 30, 52% said the administration should wait to see what the new Iraqi government wanted. More than a third, 37%, said the United States should begin drawing down at least some of its troop strength.

Americans are almost evenly divided over how long U.S. forces should stay in Iraq, the poll found: 47% said they would like to see most of the troops out within a year, while 49% say they could support a longer deployment — including 37% who say the troops should remain "as long as it takes" to secure and stabilize the country.

The results suggest that while Americans have grown more pessimistic about the chances for success in Iraq, most are willing to give President Bush some time to try to turn the operation into a success.

"We are seeing lower support for the war, but I would have expected it to be even lower … given that the main rationale for the war — the weapons of mass destruction — turned out not to be there," said John Mueller, a political scientist at Ohio State University who is an authority on wartime public opinion.

Mueller noted that support for the war had been falling gradually since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003, but that the erosion had not produced a majority in favor of early troop withdrawals.

"Support for this war is now lower than support for the Vietnam War was at the Tet offensive," Mueller said, citing the 1968 battles that were a turning point in U.S. public opinion then. "But in Vietnam [after Tet], the war continued for several years, and many people continued to support it through enormous casualties."

In Iraq, he noted, the number of U.S. casualties has been far lower than in Vietnam, a probable reason that public pressure for withdrawal has not mounted higher.

On the other hand, public support for increasing U.S. troop strength in Iraq — a proposal Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and several other members of Congress have made — is negligible, the poll found. Only 4% of respondents said they would favor increasing American forces after the Iraqi election.

Respondents to The Times poll were downbeat about the results of the war in Iraq on several counts.

Asked which side — the United States or the anti-American insurgents — was winning the war or if it was a stalemate, 58% said that neither side appeared to have the upper hand, while 29% said they believed the United States was winning and 10% said the insurgents were winning.

Respondents were divided on whether the Jan. 30 election was likely to be a turning point leading to a significant improvement in Iraq's stability: 31% said they thought it would have a positive effect, 34% said they expected no significant effect, and 27% said they thought the election would actually lead to more violence.

Respondents also were divided on whether the election would help advance democracy in the Middle East, one of the Bush administration's main goals: 47% said it would probably advance democracy, but 45% said it probably would not.

But 59% said they favored holding the election on schedule despite fears of violence on election day. Over a third, or 35%, said the vote should be postponed.

Almost half, or 45%, said they believed the war had destabilized the Middle East; 24% said they thought it had a stabilizing effect. In April 2003, 52% thought that military action against Iraq would stabilize the situation in the Middle East.

And a large majority, 65%, said they believed the war in Iraq had harmed the United States' image around the world. Only 10% said the U.S. image had been helped.

The Times poll, supervised by polling director Susan Pinkus, surveyed 1,033 adults. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Matrix Heart:
lol@your sig

Fuck Bush nothing more to say.

Acgrundy:
seriosly, who in their right mind has anything good to say about the war?

Well, gee Ted, one good thing about the war is all the casualties we got, not to mention the tens of thousands injured.

Good point Bill, but my favorite part about it is that it was completely based on a false pretense.

Nice one there Ted, but you can't forget the awesome fact that its costing American taxpayers millions of dollars.

Too true Bill, and we've also come to be known as the most heroic and friendliest nation in the world.  I'm sure everyone wants to ally with us.

Yep, yep, not only that, but the war helped us scare people into voting Mr. Super Genius into office for the next 4 years.  If we are lucky maybe at the end of this 4 years we can be like our good neighbor Mexico.

Hey, and I hear we have plans to send troops into Iran next, isn't that great?

Oh boy, let the fireworks begin!

Sikotic™:
Th eUS is definitely confused as hell. WHy else would they blindly support this war.

Thirteen:
my two cents

things aren't looking too bright for iraq right now but it's at least better than if the US left iraq....if our troops were to pull out, all hell would break loose over there and there's no telling what kind of government will pop up

secondly i think iraq and afghanistan take alot of pressure of the possibility of a terrorist attack on US soil... if you look at the terrorists now, the really smart ones that are planning shit aren't hiding in iraq or afghanistan. they are obviously some where else... now if they were to do another terrorist attack on US soil it would spark another world wide outrage and we'd have the afghanistan situation all over again, which we pretty much had the go ahead from everybody to do what ever we wanted in afghanistan...

yes iraq is a terrorist sponge but at least it's there and not here

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