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How do you feel about the war still
Suga Foot:
You can't change the past, so right now I don't really give a fuck.
Ant:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on January 19, 2005, 02:15:02 PM ---my two cents
things aren't looking too bright for iraq right now but it's at least better than if the US left iraq....if our troops were to pull out, all hell would break loose over there and there's no telling what kind of government will pop up
secondly i think iraq and afghanistan take alot of pressure of the possibility of a terrorist attack on US soil... if you look at the terrorists now, the really smart ones that are planning shit aren't hiding in iraq or afghanistan. they are obviously some where else... now if they were to do another terrorist attack on US soil it would spark another world wide outrage and we'd have the afghanistan situation all over again, which we pretty much had the go ahead from everybody to do what ever we wanted in afghanistan...
yes iraq is a terrorist sponge but at least it's there and not here
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its not here yet, but international terrorist incidents have risen every year since 2001. we created new terrorists in iraq.... we didn't create a super power magnet that sucks them all in there so they cant get over here...
the whole "well i'd rather be fighting them over there, than on our soil" logic makes no sense.... if you understand the basic idea behind terrorism... its a distributed network of people that aren't confined to a particular country. you can't go pick a country and contain all the terrorists. al queda is only one terrorist organization, it happens to be the largest, and it happens to operate in 60 countries, and at last count had 60,000 members.... to think you can "fight the terrorists over there" by waging a 'conventional war" in iraq is absurd. the war on terror will not be won by conventional methods... especially when your not even attacking the correct country in the first place... the whole "well iraq had al queda operatives there" is a BS argument too... so there were a few al queda in iraq, there are a few al-queda in 60 countries!
republicans would have been a lot better off showing some integrity and fixing their current incompetently corrupt party... instead they turned their back on america and on their own values to win 4 more years of authority. eventually it will come back to haunt them.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on January 19, 2005, 05:13:22 PM ---its not here yet, but international terrorist incidents have risen every year since 2001. we created new terrorists in iraq.... we didn't create a super power magnet that sucks them all in there so they cant get over here...
the whole "well i'd rather be fighting them over there, than on our soil" logic makes no sense.... if you understand the basic idea behind terrorism... its a distributed network of people that aren't confined to a particular country. you can't go pick a country and contain all the terrorists. al queda is only one terrorist organization, it happens to be the largest, and it happens to operate in 60 countries, and at last count had 60,000 members.... to think you can "fight the terrorists over there" by waging a 'conventional war" in iraq is absurd. the war on terror will not be won by conventional methods... especially when your not even attacking the correct country in the first place... the whole "well iraq had al queda operatives there" is a BS argument too... so there were a few al queda in iraq, there are a few al-queda in 60 countries!
republicans would have been a lot better off showing some integrity and fixing their current incompetently corrupt party... instead they turned their back on america and on their own values to win 4 more years of authority. eventually it will come back to haunt them.
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it's risen since 2001 but no attacks have been made on US soil
since 9/11 happened, we've made two examples to terrorists.... 1. you attack america, kill a bunch of people, and the world give america a free pass to hunt you down...2. if a country's government doesn't cooperate with us, we'll remove it...
so now terrorists know they have no where to hide, america will either pressure the country to hunt them down themselves, or we'll just take down the country
and yes it does make sense because terrorists can attack america in Iraq without a large international backlash and still make america look stupid...plus since there's pretty much no full secure way to protect from attacks in Iraq, there's less planning and less expenses and it's getting the same message across.
terrorists don't care if an attack is made on america soil or on the moon.....it's as long as america looks bad...and right now iraq is the best place to do that with safety
Acgrundy:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on January 19, 2005, 09:05:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on January 19, 2005, 05:13:22 PM ---its not here yet, but international terrorist incidents have risen every year since 2001. we created new terrorists in iraq.... we didn't create a super power magnet that sucks them all in there so they cant get over here...
the whole "well i'd rather be fighting them over there, than on our soil" logic makes no sense.... if you understand the basic idea behind terrorism... its a distributed network of people that aren't confined to a particular country. you can't go pick a country and contain all the terrorists. al queda is only one terrorist organization, it happens to be the largest, and it happens to operate in 60 countries, and at last count had 60,000 members.... to think you can "fight the terrorists over there" by waging a 'conventional war" in iraq is absurd. the war on terror will not be won by conventional methods... especially when your not even attacking the correct country in the first place... the whole "well iraq had al queda operatives there" is a BS argument too... so there were a few al queda in iraq, there are a few al-queda in 60 countries!
republicans would have been a lot better off showing some integrity and fixing their current incompetently corrupt party... instead they turned their back on america and on their own values to win 4 more years of authority. eventually it will come back to haunt them.
--- End quote ---
it's risen since 2001 but no attacks have been made on US soil
since 9/11 happened, we've made two examples to terrorists.... 1. you attack america, kill a bunch of people, and the world give america a free pass to hunt you down...2. if a country's government doesn't cooperate with us, we'll remove it...
so now terrorists know they have no where to hide, america will either pressure the country to hunt them down themselves, or we'll just take down the country
and yes it does make sense because terrorists can attack america in Iraq without a large international backlash and still make america look stupid...plus since there's pretty much no full secure way to protect from attacks in Iraq, there's less planning and less expenses and it's getting the same message across.
terrorists don't care if an attack is made on america soil or on the moon.....it's as long as america looks bad...and right now iraq is the best place to do that with safety
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scaring terrorists? are you fucking kidding me? those terrorists SACRIFICED THEIR OWN LIVES on 9/11. how the fuck are we going to scare them?
very poor points you listed.
If a country's government doesn't cooperate with us we will remove it: Iraq is a very poor country with a shitty ass military, and we are still haveing major problems with them. and still nothing good has come from it.
obviously if we had scared terroritst there wouldn't be any terrorist attacks on the us military in Iraq. What about all those people who have been beheaded? Gee, we sure scared the shit out them terrorists diddn't we?
Give it up man. Why do you still feel the need to defend our wrongdoings?
and btw, the world didn't give america a free pass to hunt them down, America just went ahead and did so anyways. And BTW, what the fuck did saddam and Iraq have to do with 9/11?
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Eiht, Spice, and My Fuckin' Nigga Pac on January 19, 2005, 09:20:05 PM ---scaring terrorists? are you fucking kidding me? those terrorists SACRIFICED THEIR OWN LIVES on 9/11. how the fuck are we going to scare them?
very poor points you listed.
If a country's government doesn't cooperate with us we will remove it: Iraq is a very poor country with a shitty ass military, and we are still haveing major problems with them. and still nothing good has come from it.
obviously if we had scared terroritst there wouldn't be any terrorist attacks on the us military in Iraq. What about all those people who have been beheaded? Gee, we sure scared the shit out them terrorists diddn't we?
Give it up man. Why do you still feel the need to defend our wrongdoings?
and btw, the world didn't give america a free pass to hunt them down, America just went ahead and did so anyways. And BTW, what the fuck did saddam and Iraq have to do with 9/11?
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1... where are you getting the word scared from? i have two posts in this thread and not until this sentence have i used the word scared...so your whole argument about me saying that terrorists are scared is null and void
2. we had a free pass to attack afghanistan...not a single country voiced it's opinion on not attacking afghanistan
3. dozens of missions are pulled off succesfully a week with little casualties to the US military...we've lost 1,000 soldier to this war and on the enemy's side...we've lost count...terrorists are attacking more civilians now than the US military
4. the people that are doing the shit in iraq are small time guerilla fighters, they're not big, smart terrorist masterminds... those
are the ones that will attack america and they know right now that it's not a good time to do so
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