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Quote from: *Jamal* on January 23, 2005, 11:12:20 AMTHE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR... ok you want examples of attacking defenders?it's happened in the crusades, revolutionary war, civil war, ww 1, ww2, korean war, desert storm....pretty much every single war that has ever happened.every single war that has been recorded in history has had an attack which took over a land, then in turn they had to defend that land...just to name a few....1. kuwait...america had to attack the iraqis and push them back over the border then defend kuwait for awhile2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japan3. afghanistan...america attacked the terrorist supporting government and is now defending the country from more terroristsso once again i prove you wrong... it's ok that the only person that sticks up for you is some dumb fuck that backs up his posts with conspiracy theories...you've just been sonned again you little girl, enjoy your day at school, i packed you a lunch, enjoy my salty nuts
THE ATTACKING DEFENDER.... what's next.... THE MORAL CHILD-MOLESTOR...
you can go ahead and say what the fuck you want about those three situations...the bottom line is we attacked a place and we took it over and we defended either ourselves or the people living there.... my argument isn't about if the people love the idea, cause i could care less.... but just so you know attacking defenders happens in every warjamal, your little analogy about house conquest doesn't mean shit...there's alot of things i wouldn't like, but if it happens, it happens. to be honest, i don't like any war but they still happen... so how does my preferences prove you right?and to say i don't know what i'm talking about in #2 is funny... how much time have either of you spent on guam? i lived there for a year... i don't have to read text books about there because i ran into a chamorro that was enslaved by the japanese to build fortifications and he said he thanks god that the americans retook Guamso me getting a first hand story of what went down > than what you can read in a text book
Guam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument.
Quote from: *Jamal* on January 25, 2005, 12:09:48 AMGuam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument. wow that looks alot like2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japanand before you try and get technical yes we did attack guam...i saw the shells of buildings left from after that attack, i walked the beach were i met the ex japanese slave, he showed us the pill boxes he helped make on the escarpment, the whole island has signs, plaques and statues with guam's war history on themso what point did you have to make by repeating what i said?
in iraq, if we left the place without a governent, and in the condition it was in, don't you think long time enemy iran might have taken some interest in iraqi land? and i know you've read about the looting that took place in iraq right after the war...iraqi people raiding palaces, burning down stores, etc....the us government is training iraqi people to become police officers and starting up a military so the US will no longer have to defend iraq...this is even one of the goals that the puppet president has stated he wanted to achieve...have the US stabilize iraq so they can get out.there's my point of the argument, you can call me retarded, moron...anything else but there's my point told like a man
Quote from: Needles Kane on January 25, 2005, 12:15:59 AMQuote from: *Jamal* on January 25, 2005, 12:09:48 AMGuam was attacked by the Japanese, not us. We went into Guam to fight the Japanese, not the people of Guam. You're arguing one thing, but you're giving examples that don't support your argument. wow that looks alot like2. america had to attack guam to get the japanese out during WWII then had to defend Guam from japanand before you try and get technical yes we did attack guam...i saw the shells of buildings left from after that attack, i walked the beach were i met the ex japanese slave, he showed us the pill boxes he helped make on the escarpment, the whole island has signs, plaques and statues with guam's war history on themso what point did you have to make by repeating what i said?We attacked the Japanese who took over Guam... who did we attack in Iraq?
Quote from: Needles Kane on January 25, 2005, 12:37:18 AMin iraq, if we left the place without a governent, and in the condition it was in, don't you think long time enemy iran might have taken some interest in iraqi land? and i know you've read about the looting that took place in iraq right after the war...iraqi people raiding palaces, burning down stores, etc....the us government is training iraqi people to become police officers and starting up a military so the US will no longer have to defend iraq...this is even one of the goals that the puppet president has stated he wanted to achieve...have the US stabilize iraq so they can get out.there's my point of the argument, you can call me retarded, moron...anything else but there's my point told like a manNah, I respect your view, but I disagree with it. Anyways, what I quoted here... I agree with that, it's our duty now to stabilize Iraq, BUT you can't claim that our mission as a whole is one of "DEFENSE" as you like to call it. Reconstruction and things of that sort are part of our DUTY... "You break it, you buy it". Had Iraq attacked the U.S., and we went over and fucked them up, then NO, it wouldn't be our duty to reconstruct their country, they asked for it; however, that's not the case. We just went over there and blew the place up for no justifiable reason, and now it's our duty to fix what we broke. You can't claim however that we're there to DEFEND the Iraqis, we're there now because certain people are making $$$.
we attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined as
Quote from: Needles Kane on January 25, 2005, 11:34:28 AMwe attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined asSaddam was the leader of Iraq. He was Iraqi. The people loyal to him were Iraqi. We attacked Iraq/Iraqis. We were defending Iraqis from Iraqis? So, now you see what I was getting at.