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Iraqi elections........will they be a success?
*Jamal*:
Read some of the posts on Page3... they still show that your statement is false, and nothing has changed. You claimed that we attack countries and then defend them from others. That's not true. Your example of Guam illustrates this because the Japanese already attacked Guam, we went in to attack the Japanese, and defend the people of Guam. Iraq is a totally different situation because we attacked Iraq. Your theory would claim that "we attacked Iraq to defend it from Iraq", and if that's what you're sticking to, then I don't need to say anything else because that's self-explanatory. If you want to change your statement, be my guest.
Ant:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 02:02:41 PM ---
also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
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are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on January 27, 2005, 03:47:05 PM ---Read some of the posts on Page3... they still show that your statement is false, and nothing has changed. You claimed that we attack countries and then defend them from others. That's not true. Your example of Guam illustrates this because the Japanese already attacked Guam, we went in to attack the Japanese, and defend the people of Guam. Iraq is a totally different situation because we attacked Iraq. Your theory would claim that "we attacked Iraq to defend it from Iraq", and if that's what you're sticking to, then I don't need to say anything else because that's self-explanatory. If you want to change your statement, be my guest.
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seeing as 52 members of iraqs government is/can be charged with war crimes against the citizens that live in it's borders, including the leader of the country...also with the current events in iraq with iraqi insurgents attacking iraqi polce, security and civilians i can easily say that the iraqi people need protection from iraqi people both before and after the US invasion
you even agreed that iraq needs protection and guess who is providing the protection? the US. meaning that yes we did attack the country and now we are defending the country...so even though you refuse to accept any other form of attack/defense that has happened at anytime in the past (my three examples weren't the all inclusive list that you try and make it out to be) you acknowledged that it is happening now.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on January 27, 2005, 07:03:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 02:02:41 PM ---
also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
--- End quote ---
are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
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how do you liberate a country with a hostile dictator peacefully? has there ever been any type of liberation of this sccale without blood shed?
*Jamal*:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 08:29:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on January 27, 2005, 07:03:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 02:02:41 PM ---
also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
--- End quote ---
are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
--- End quote ---
how do you liberate a country with a hostile dictator peacefully? has there ever been any type of liberation of this sccale without blood shed?
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This is your problem, you act like everything has a simple solution and is the result of a simple cause. Iraq has a dictator, we remove him, kill some people, and then defend the people. To completely understand a problem and the present situation, you have to look back at the causes and roots of that problem. Let me ask you something, why didn't the U.S. take these measures right after Saddam came to power? That's considering the U.S. actually went into Iraq to "liberate" them. Why didn't we "liberate" them then? To go back even more, why did we help Saddam come to power? Why did we support him? We didn't care about the Iraqi population then, we don't care now. The U.S. government is doing it because it's a duty, not out of some pity charity bullshit. If you don't know the history, you really have no room to make dumb remarks like you do. Bottom line is that the U.S. is occupying Iraq, not defending it from anyone. If you want to claim that the U.S. initially went there to defend the Iraqi civilians from Saddam, then you can ask yourself whose fault that was in the first place, and why we didn't do anything before. The answer is simply, we don't give a shit about the Iraqi people. We're doing what we're doing now only because it's in "our" interest, and by our I mean our government and the big businesses racking in the $$$.
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