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Israel claims Iran will have nukes in 12 months
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on January 30, 2005, 11:21:25 PM ---Yea, but Israel having nukes is a threat to other countries... unless of course you admit that the U.S. is selfish and doesn't give a shit about other people?
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Iran with the bomb is an enormous bad turn for mankind. Period. This isn't one of those issues that any dime-a-dozen liberal (ant, seven) can claim is shades of grey when it's starkly black and white.
The mullahs in Iran sit astride the world's largest oil producing area. That energy source is what drives the rest of the planet's economy right now. It's not an American issue, it's not an Israeli issue...it's a world issue. These are the same mullahs who gleefully export terrorism and support terrorists in their efforts.
Israel has HAD the bomb, by most credible accounts, for almost 30 years. This is the same Israel surrounded by countries pledged to their complete annihilation and from which rockets, bombs and suicide bombers visit Israel regularly. If the Israelis were 1% as bloodthirsty as some no-wits here paint them, the entire middle east would have gone up in a mushroom cloud ages ago. They've had the bomb and it ensures their existence. Iran doesn't require the bomb to ensure their existence. They want the bomb to balance out Israel's nuclear capability and to make them the pre-eminent force in the region.
THAT makes a conventional war in the Middle East a much larger possibility again. Iran is a repressive theocratic regime intolerant of anything or anyone that doesn't agree with fundamentalist Islam. Attention, lefties: like it or not that includes you.
The freedoms that we as individuals enjoy in the U.S. cannot be ascribed to international relations. In the U.S. if you don't like your neighbor, you rarely plot to obliterate his home, raze it to the ground, piss on the bodies and go right on with the neighborhood bake sales and PTA meetings. In international relations, we cannot afford to grant "equality" to regimes that are clearly NOT equal in human rights, due process, civil liberties etc...
The US and Iran are not equals at the table any more than Nazi Germany was the moral equal of England and France in 1938.
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 05:46:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on January 30, 2005, 11:21:25 PM ---Yea, but Israel having nukes is a threat to other countries... unless of course you admit that the U.S. is selfish and doesn't give a shit about other people?
--- End quote ---
Iran with the bomb is an enormous bad turn for mankind. Period. This isn't one of those issues that any dime-a-dozen liberal (ant, seven) can claim is shades of grey when it's starkly black and white.
The mullahs in Iran sit astride the world's largest oil producing area. That energy source is what drives the rest of the planet's economy right now. It's not an American issue, it's not an Israeli issue...it's a world issue. These are the same mullahs who gleefully export terrorism and support terrorists in their efforts.
Israel has HAD the bomb, by most credible accounts, for almost 30 years. This is the same Israel surrounded by countries pledged to their complete annihilation and from which rockets, bombs and suicide bombers visit Israel regularly. If the Israelis were 1% as bloodthirsty as some no-wits here paint them, the entire middle east would have gone up in a mushroom cloud ages ago. They've had the bomb and it ensures their existence. Iran doesn't require the bomb to ensure their existence. They want the bomb to balance out Israel's nuclear capability and to make them the pre-eminent force in the region.
THAT makes a conventional war in the Middle East a much larger possibility again. Iran is a repressive theocratic regime intolerant of anything or anyone that doesn't agree with fundamentalist Islam. Attention, lefties: like it or not that includes you.
The freedoms that we as individuals enjoy in the U.S. cannot be ascribed to international relations. In the U.S. if you don't like your neighbor, you rarely plot to obliterate his home, raze it to the ground, piss on the bodies and go right on with the neighborhood bake sales and PTA meetings. In international relations, we cannot afford to grant "equality" to regimes that are clearly NOT equal in human rights, due process, civil liberties etc...
The US and Iran are not equals at the table any more than Nazi Germany was the moral equal of England and France in 1938.
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don't put us on the same line the french were pussy collaborators
*Jamal*:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 05:46:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on January 30, 2005, 11:21:25 PM ---Yea, but Israel having nukes is a threat to other countries... unless of course you admit that the U.S. is selfish and doesn't give a shit about other people?
--- End quote ---
Iran with the bomb is an enormous bad turn for mankind. Period. This isn't one of those issues that any dime-a-dozen liberal (ant, seven) can claim is shades of grey when it's starkly black and white.
The mullahs in Iran sit astride the world's largest oil producing area. That energy source is what drives the rest of the planet's economy right now. It's not an American issue, it's not an Israeli issue...it's a world issue. These are the same mullahs who gleefully export terrorism and support terrorists in their efforts.
Israel has HAD the bomb, by most credible accounts, for almost 30 years. This is the same Israel surrounded by countries pledged to their complete annihilation and from which rockets, bombs and suicide bombers visit Israel regularly. If the Israelis were 1% as bloodthirsty as some no-wits here paint them, the entire middle east would have gone up in a mushroom cloud ages ago. They've had the bomb and it ensures their existence. Iran doesn't require the bomb to ensure their existence. They want the bomb to balance out Israel's nuclear capability and to make them the pre-eminent force in the region.
THAT makes a conventional war in the Middle East a much larger possibility again. Iran is a repressive theocratic regime intolerant of anything or anyone that doesn't agree with fundamentalist Islam. Attention, lefties: like it or not that includes you.
The freedoms that we as individuals enjoy in the U.S. cannot be ascribed to international relations. In the U.S. if you don't like your neighbor, you rarely plot to obliterate his home, raze it to the ground, piss on the bodies and go right on with the neighborhood bake sales and PTA meetings. In international relations, we cannot afford to grant "equality" to regimes that are clearly NOT equal in human rights, due process, civil liberties etc...
The US and Iran are not equals at the table any more than Nazi Germany was the moral equal of England and France in 1938.
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Alright, nukes are not a good thing, but the way I see it is.... have ALL the countries in the Middle East get rid of 'em then... including Israel... then we won't have to worry about any of them using 'em... that's if any country should have to get rid of its program, then all countries should.... or we could have all countries hold on to 'em... the latter doesn't sound like a good choice though...
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 05:46:55 AM ---Israel has HAD the bomb, by most credible accounts, for almost 30 years. This is the same Israel surrounded by countries pledged to their complete annihilation and from which rockets, bombs and suicide bombers visit Israel regularly. If the Israelis were 1% as bloodthirsty as some no-wits here paint them, the entire middle east would have gone up in a mushroom cloud ages ago. They've had the bomb and it ensures their existence.
we cannot afford to grant "equality" to regimes that are clearly NOT equal in human rights, due process, civil liberties etc...
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*Jamal*:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 02:34:24 PM ---we cannot afford to grant "equality" to regimes that are clearly NOT equal in human rights, due process, civil liberties etc...
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Wanna look at some UN Resolutions?
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