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Israel claims Iran will have nukes in 12 months
Don Rizzle:
israel has always been aggressive, ever since before independence it has been on the offense its the other states in the middle east went to the defence of their neighbouring palestinians but couldn't compete with the force of the israel and its western backers. even with this superiority in the region israel developed nukes with France's aid cementing itself as the most powerful state in the region, a state that refuses to talk to its neighbours over the palestinian issue, their right wing government supports unilateral action and only acts in their own interests disregarding almost every organisation or country that has real ethical concerns over what they do.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on February 01, 2005, 11:13:36 AM ---israel has always been aggressive, ever since before independence it has been on the offense its the other states in the middle east went to the defence of their neighbouring palestinians but couldn't compete with the force of the israel and its western backers. even with this superiority in the region israel developed nukes with France's aid cementing itself as the most powerful state in the region, a state that refuses to talk to its neighbours over the palestinian issue, their right wing government supports unilateral action and only acts in their own interests disregarding almost every organisation or country that has real ethical concerns over what they do.
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:stupid:
*Jamal*:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on February 01, 2005, 10:19:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on January 31, 2005, 11:18:11 PM ---Our whole country is supposedly based on the foundation of equality, but when it comes to diplomatic/economic interests, then all of a sudden those values are thrown out the window? Why is Iran not equal to Israel? Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions. Israel is pushing a group of people into genocidal consensus. Just because Iran isn't a democratic puppet state, they're not "equal"? Fuck that. Being Muslim doesn't place Iranians under Israelis.
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I said it before in this topic and I'll say it again.
There's no sense having a serious discussion with people who don't recognize the difference between pluralistic democracies and tyrannical authoritarian regimes.
Claiming that a nuclear Israel is no less a threat to the world than a nuclear Iran is about as logical as saying an armed police officer presents the same threat to society as an armed criminal.
Israel = Stable, democratic, tolerant, free society, synagogues, churches, mosques, etc., made up of Jews, Christians, Muslims. Productive, lots of Noble Prize winners, creates new technology regularly.
Iran = Islamic fascist dictatorship, not free, not tolerant, no Jews tolerated, only Islam is allowed, eyes gouged out by the state, children executed, no science created
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1. If you want to talk about children being executed, Israel is not the best example to show contrast.
2. What does "science, technology, Noble Prize winners, etc" have to do with a country being allowed to have nukes? As a matter of fact, what does any of that have anything to do with it. What if those countries say "hey, we feel that democracies with nukes are a threat." You can't tell a country what they can or can't do, if you do it yourself,,, just because their government isn't benefitting you as far as diplomacy or economics go.
3. So the only way a country can have nukes is if it's: not Islamic & democratic... and if it is Islamic, it has to be a secular puppet state.... and if it's not democratic, and is an authoritarian regime, then it better benefit us financially..... I love the morals and fairness in this.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on February 01, 2005, 10:39:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on February 01, 2005, 10:25:35 AM ---would iran feal the need to have nukes if israel didn't have them?
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Iran is simply trying to achieve parity with Israel? Why? It's not Israel's government that makes it the official line to eradication Persians. What works is what HAS been working for the past 30 years. Iran does not feel threatened by Israel. Claims on the contrary being obfuscation of their desire to possess nuclear weapons. It's an excuse, not a reason.
So, we have a conventionally stable area. There have been no conventional wars between nation-states for over 30 years and this was with Israel having the only nuclear arsenal. This is certainly proof that if Israel is NOT the aggressor in that they've held the military trump card all this time and never leveraged that into concessions or threats. Now Iran's possession of a similar aresenal addresses what inequity?
There was a balance. It's clear Iran does not desire a balance, but something else. Take a look at their rhetoric, and extrapolate how any result from that can be benign.
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Do u really believe this shit?
Ant:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on February 01, 2005, 03:56:58 AM ---You need to get off that "Me Against The World" shit... it's just the name of an album... there's no conspiracy against 7even, don't let paranoia blind you...
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=66584.0
Take your sonning like a man, or "boy" I should say.
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dude anyone that talks all day about "sonning" people on dubcc is not intelligent. It's getting old reading threads where you announce the fact that you 'sonned' someone. I agree with you on occasion, but get off the ego trip. Arrogance doesn't reflect intelligence, it reflects the opposite. Compare the way you act to the way real intelligent people behave. You should notice a difference.
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