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TraceOneInfinite:
Could you copy and paste whatever it is you want me to reply to?
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on February 02, 2005, 01:51:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---You admitted that it doesn't all come from the Noble Qu'ran, so that's the end of that argument.
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Sharia is based on Islam. Islam comes from the Koran. Is this passage not in the Koran?
Chapter 45: The Chapter of the Kneeling
17 ...then we gave you a Sharia in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know...
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---
Secondly, Saudi Arabia is not the "home" of Islam. Mekkah is the city we make pilgrimage too, and that city happens to be inside Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia is not the home of Islam. Saudi got it's name from the Saudi royal family, the British backed the Saudi's and helped put them into power around World War 1. The last time the Muslims had a Caliphate and Islamic empire was in the 19th century under the Ottoman Empire that was in Istanbull, Turkey. The Caliphate and the Ottoman was defeated in World War 1.
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So Mecca isn't the traditional "home" of Islam? I'd say it's the "home" of Islam just like Vatican City is the "home" of Catholicism. It's the "religious capital" of Islam.
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---
First of all it's not practiced in a majority of Muslim countries, go to your little Islamichate.com websites and find me proof that it's practiced by a majority of Muslim countries, you can not back that statement up, it is a lie. As for the sun and the moon being Muslim, they are submitters to the will of the Creator, and they do not deviate from their prescribed courses, us, on the other hand, although we were created by Allah, he has given us free will, and some people choose to reject the reality of their Creator.
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I wasn't aware that www.religousfreedom.com perched hate for Islam? Why is it every time somebody asks tough questions about your religion, your initial defense is anger instead of explanation?
Perhaps I misspoke. Islam is mentioned in Sharia is practiced in some way/shape/form Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Afghanistan (before US invasion), parts of Nigeria, Egypt, Indonesia, and Canada. You can't deny that there's a powerful movement in Islamic countries (and any country with Muslim population) towards Sharia law.
I think it's funny that you say we can reject the will of the creator. If people reject the will of the creator, wouldn't that make them apostates? Whats the punishment for being an apostate again?
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---
Once again, if I'm lying then go to your IhateIslam.com website and find proof. What I said is not a lie. The American government forces me to pay taxes in this country. Likewise, in an Islamic country all people are required to pay taxes. Muslims are obligated to pay our religious tax, and non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizya tax.
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Many esteemed historians (including Maxime Rodinson, Bat Ye'or, and A.S. Tritton) have shown that it was money from the dhimmi's, not from Muslims, that financed the early Islamic empires. Muslims paid nothing at all into the state treasury in the days when there were large populations (EX: Syria and Syria) of conquered Christians. Maxime Rodinson even points out that at certain times conversions to Islam were forbidden, as they were destroying the available tax base!
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TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on March 14, 2005, 09:48:36 PM ---
Sharia is based on Islam. Islam comes from the Koran. Is this passage not in the Koran?
Chapter 45: The Chapter of the Kneeling
17 ...then we gave you a Sharia in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know...
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Yes, that is correct, it is best for a Muslim government to implement Islamic (Sharia) law.
--- Quote from: Woodrow on March 14, 2005, 09:48:36 PM ---
So Mecca isn't the traditional "home" of Islam? I'd say it's the "home" of Islam just like Vatican City is the "home" of Catholicism. It's the "religious capital" of Islam.
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Yes, that is correct, you could call Mekkah the "religious capital" of Islam.
--- Quote from: Woodrow on March 14, 2005, 09:48:36 PM ---
I wasn't aware that www.religousfreedom.com perched hate for Islam? Why is it every time somebody asks tough questions about your religion, your initial defense is anger instead of explanation?
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I think I do my best to explain everything as respectfully as possible. And you are no one to talk to me about offering a polite explanation.
--- Quote from: Woodrow on March 14, 2005, 09:48:36 PM ---
I think it's funny that you say we can reject the will of the creator. If people reject the will of the creator, wouldn't that make them apostates? Whats the punishment for being an apostate again?
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Some Islamic governments have punished apostates, others have not, but I assure you, nowhere in the Qu'ran does it give a Muslim government the liscence to punish an apostate.
--- Quote from: Woodrow on March 14, 2005, 09:48:36 PM ---
Many esteemed historians (including Maxime Rodinson, Bat Ye'or, and A.S. Tritton) have shown that it was money from the dhimmi's, not from Muslims, that financed the early Islamic empires. Muslims paid nothing at all into the state treasury in the days when there were large populations (EX: Syria and Syria) of conquered Christians. Maxime Rodinson even points out that at certain times conversions to Islam were forbidden, as they were destroying the available tax base!
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The non-Muslims were taxed, and the Muslims had to pay their obigatory Zakat.
Fathom:
--- Quote from: Safar, 1426 Years After Hijrah on January 31, 2005, 07:14:10 AM ---too personal
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Allah, please help this man!!
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Fathom on March 16, 2005, 08:30:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Safar, 1426 Years After Hijrah on January 31, 2005, 07:14:10 AM ---too personal
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Allah, please help this man!!
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Thank you for your supplication.
Allah needs nothing from me, but I am in great need of his mercy. I make myself low, so that I am constantly in need of Allah's overpowering mercy and sustanance. Alllah is the sustainer, no sustainer but Allah. Oh Allah, please help me, I am weak, bless me with a heart that is enlightened, a toungue that is truthful, an intellect that is unairing, a countenance that is pleasing to you Allah, Allah bless me in this life, and in the hereafter raise me in the company of the righteousness.
Oh Allah, help me!!
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