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the real state of hip hop.
The New Pollution:
No need to fucking preach about hip-hop. It's music in general. I don't get why people act like hip-hop sucks so much these days and how old hip-hop is the way to go. There still is good rap around. And yes, the mainstream media in general sucks. But I won't fucking complain about it. I can listen to my Mr Lif, Radiohead, Boards Of Canada, Meshuggah, Mogwai and Miles Davis. No one's stopping me from listening to good music.
First of all; Hip-hop is not the only genre that is being milked by the record companies. There's more to music than hip-hop. But I guess that's a bit too hard to understand for some people. And another thing is that in general, hip-hop heads are extremely closeminded. They don't allow innovation anymore - with a few exception. It's almost 10 years ago that the last experimental - not creative, experimental - rap record has been released. That's just fucking sad.
Also; The record companies do what they've got to do. You can't blame them. It's the artists. The consumer wants shitty rap music. So that's what the companies sell them.
It's up to the fucking consumer. Not the companies. It are the masses that have the shitty taste in rap music. And good hip-hop has become very accesable because of the internet. So you can't blame MTV anymore, considering most people get their music from the internet, anyway.
Stop complaining about the state of music for fucking once and start changing it. Bitching won't get you anywhere. Neither will ignorance.
Machiavelli:
--- Quote from: The New Pollution on February 21, 2005, 03:32:23 PM ---It's almost 10 years ago that the last experimental - not creative, experimental - rap record has been released. That's just fucking sad.
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Which one was that?
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The New Pollution:
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on February 21, 2005, 03:48:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: The New Pollution on February 21, 2005, 03:32:23 PM ---It's almost 10 years ago that the last experimental - not creative, experimental - rap record has been released. That's just fucking sad.
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Which one was that?
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DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
His approach to sampling was unique and unheard of at the time. His whole sound was new and unique.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Elevz on February 14, 2005, 04:26:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on February 08, 2005, 01:54:16 PM ---How? Basically all I'm saying is that hip-hop back in the days was average. The only reason why we are on an ild school trip is because we listen to old hip-hop and it makes us feel young again. We like that feeling. Now classic old school albums are just that, classic. DOC, NWA, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Snoop, 2Pac, Rakim, KRS-One/Boogie Down Production, De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Wu Tang Clan, Bigge and Nas. That's some quality shit. But try listening to your old tapes, 10 year old tapes. Name some classic shit outside of 2Pac and the Dogg Pound from 1995.
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I'm too young to know about DOC and NWA since young age. One of the first hiphop thing I remember is Dr. Dre's Keep their heads ringin'. Still, I love listening to N.W.A and The D.O.C. and all that. It probably IS good music. The same goes for all of that early Wu-Tang stuff. It's great music I discovered pretty late, but I love most of it.
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Let me put out some names that people hated pre-1995, the same way people today hate on Nelly and company.
Young MC, Tone Loc, MC Hammer, Tim Dog, Vanilla Ice, Shaq Diesel... lol (it was 1992), Diggable Planets, Kris Kross, Snow.
So for every single De La Soul album, you have a Tim Dog album, for every Ice Cube album, you have a Kris Kross album. I mean come on. rap back then, like rap now, is average. You had garbage on the radio, the difference was that you had dope shit on the radio. Now I don't hear dope shit. But that's all good, 'cause it's still there.
Today, for every Nelly, you got a Nas, for every Fabolous you got Talib Kweli. And it's not even like in any era they agree what classic is. Just like today people debate if Game is any good, people were hating on DJ Quik and 2nd II None back in the days, just like people hate on 50 Cent and G Unit now, people hated on Dr. Dre and Death Row. Jay-Z is considered a legend now, just 3-4 years ago he was hated on because people blamed him for fucking up rap music with all his "hot" singles. Nas is considered a top 5 rapper of all time, before he was hated on because of one album that flopped. Time changes people's opinions of things. We tend to like the older stuff more than the newer stuff.
Myself personally, my favorite era comes from 1992-1996, when Death Row fucked the game up. Others, it's 1988-1991 when artist like Rakim and Public Enemy ran shit, hell, you may have some that love 1996-1999 when the eastcoast cameback after years of being outsold by the west, some it's now because of the south running hip-hop. Old shit is good, but the problem is we can select albums from back then to listen to, and forget all the trash that was on back then.
The New Pollution:
--- Quote from: Lost Angel will kick your ass like Evil Ryu on February 21, 2005, 03:54:39 PM ---Digable Planets
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For no reason. They're one of the most creative hip-hop acts of the '90s. Their first album's a classic hip-hop record.
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