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Back From Iraq - and Suddenly on the Streets
*Jamal*:
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--- Quote from: Ant on February 09, 2005, 10:54:52 AM ---I'm pointing out the consequences of a republican sponsored war.
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Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on February 09, 2005, 10:54:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 09, 2005, 09:02:38 AM ---so it's the republican's fault that these guys signed up as infantry.. a job that has to deal with warfare and has no value outside of the military? i know one reason they can't get a job... because people trained to kill foreign soldiers doesn't translate well into a civilian job.
there's always the GI Bill which pays $1400 a month... there's unemplyment that lasts a year and supplies $400 a month which you can collet along with the gi bill....then there's also part time jobs to work your way through college for extra change when the gi bill runs up... there's also the chance to re enlist if they can't cut it on the outside world
nice try to put the blame on this one, but people should have thought about the future when signing up for the military
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Its hard to get a job when you are traumatized by a war and struggling with depression and other mental issues. But forget the people who are homeless, what about the thousands of soldiers who are struggling with mental illness because of a poorly executed war with limited justification? What about the thousands of families (mothers, parents, women, and children), who did not sign up for this war, who have to struggle with the depression resulting from the loss of a loved one or have to see their loved one come home with a missing arm or leg? If you read the article it touched on a number of these issues.
I'm not blaming republicans. I'm pointing out the consequences of a republican sponsored war. Republicans want credit for the consequences of their actions. They want to brag about elections in Iraq and how they couln't have happened without GWB. Well without GWB we also couldnt have had people being tortured in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanmo. Without GWB and foolish bigotted republicans like yourself, we couldn't have 1,5000 dead americans, and over 10,000 seriously wounded soldiers. Without republican ignorance we couldn't have over 100,000 iraqi civilians that were either injured or killed. Without GWB we couldn't have spent over $250 billion dollars in taxpayer money in a war without justification. Without GWB we couldn't have an attorney general who believes it is acceptable to treat detainees in ways that are "cruel, inhuman, or degrading." You are obviously poorly educated, and often arguing out of your ass. But if you want to put the blame on the individual for having to deal with mental trauma because they fought and killed for a war without justification, then by all means go ahead and do so and confirm once again that you and your kind are ignornant, bigotted, and foolishly self-centered.
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aren't you the same person that insults GI's for their twisted outlook onlife after war?
dude you need to keep your stories straight...maybe if you didn't post every article up you'd be less contradictory to yourself
as for injured vets... the government finds them jobs... it's called the VA office... if they're too crazy, well you think a democrat has a good solution to that? no there isn't one...so stop pointing fingers when your side of the fence doesn't do shit either... last time i looked republicans don't make up 100% of the government
*Jamal*:
Ant, you're really letting your fanaticism inhibit your ability to think rationally. Don't be another CWalker. Republicans and Democrats are in the same boat here.
Matrix Heart:
lol I live in San Diego I ain't fucking with them ;D
Ant:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on February 09, 2005, 04:54:32 PM ---Ant, you're really letting your fanaticism inhibit your ability to think rationally. Don't be another CWalker. Republicans and Democrats are in the same boat here.
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If that is the case, then explain something instead of just stating opinions. Instead I think you occasionally disagree with me in an attempt to seem 'unbiased.' Whatever, its your choice.
Republicans and Democrats on not in the same boat on the issues I've addressed. There are clearly defined differences between the republican party and the democratic party that put the the majority of the responsibility for the consequences of this war onto the shoulders of republicans.
1. Yes, I know the democrats voted to authorize the use of force, but I also know that democrats only voted to give the president the ability to use force. Republicans like to ignore this fact, or maybe they are simply to ignorant to realize that this is the case, but the truth is Democrats authorized the use of wa - they did not declare war. Personally I think there should be widespeard agreement that to do otherwise would have been foolish regardless of the outcome. Of course the senate should give the president the freedom to declare war if necessary... but that is where the burden shifts to the shoulders of the administration. They did the fact checking, they made the final decision. The Senate vote did not force Bush to go to war, it gave him the ability to. The decision to go to war with Iraq was the choice of the Bush Whitehouse.
2. There is a significant difference between the democratic party and the republican party in regards to overall support for the war. Republicans, and specifically GWB say, even knowing there are no WMD, no ties to al queda, and no imminent threat we still would have attacked. Democrats are humble enough to admit that when the facts change so should your opinions. Additionally, while most every republican supported the iraq war, some in the democratic party refused to support it from the get go (ie. howard dean). And in regards to the general population of progressives vs. conservatives.... a number of ordinary progressives opposed the war from the get go, while most republicans still support the war to this day.
3. The execution of the war was the responsibility of the Bush Whitehouse. It is foolish to suggest that the dems bear equal responsibility for the outcome of the iraqi war. Bush and co. choose their strategy, and it failed miserably. Every assumption they made turned out wrong. Kerry was on record disagreeing with the Bush Strategy from as far back as 2002, when he said on the Senate Floor:
Kerry (Oct. 9, 2002) Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him (Saddam) by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances.
4. Democrats had absolutely nothing to do with Abu Graib. Almost every democrat voted agaisnt Alberto Gonzales.
This is not to say that democrats do not share some responsibility for the fuck ups, but to suggest each party is equally responsible for the fuck ups in iraq is foolish.
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