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Great White Leaders In History?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 11, 2005, 08:38:28 PM ---Infinite; Is a man who speaks good but contradicts his good words with evil acts a good man?
For example, If I say I'm going to devise a plan to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless but do not act on it, should I be considered great?
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It depends on if he sincerely intended on doing the action or not. If he intended on doing it, but something out of his control prevented him from accomplishing it, then he still deserves to be rewarded.
If your question is in response to the Martin Luther thing, I don't have a position on him personally, I was just stimulating the debate.
TraceOneInfinite:
Eminem is a great white man. He's a white guy, succeeding in something that is created and dominated by black people, hip-hop music. He was hated and booed off stage, and had to endure racial slurs and censorship early in his carear, but he never gave up. Now he is benefiting from being white, but in the beggining of his carear he had to fight as harder than any rapper to get his foot in the door. His mom was a drug attic and his dad was never there, he was highschool dropout and labeled a failure. He's been broke for most of his life. He never gave up on his dream and around 1999 his skills on the mic were iller than any rapper I've ever heard past or present.
Lincoln:
This one is a relative of mine:
Louis-Joseph Papineau
Louis-Joseph Papineau.
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Louis-Joseph Papineau was born October 7, 1786. In June 1808, he became member of the Assembly for Kent (Chambly). He was admitted to the Bar of Lower Canada on May 3, 1810. In 1814, he was elected in the riding of Montreal East as a replacement for his father. He represented this riding in the House of Assembly until March 1832.
He was Speaker of the House of Assembly from 1815 to 1823 and from 1825 to 1832. With his forceful interventions in the House and his popularity as a powerful speaker, Louis-Joseph Papineau became the champion of the nationalist movement.
As leader of the Canadian Party, which later became the Patriot Party, he made an important speech in the House of Assembly on February 28, 1834, on the Ninety-two Resolutions. London responded to these requests with the Russell resolutions, which reached Canada three years later. Their terms only swelled the discontent, and rebellion took shape. Armed uprisings broke out.
In 1836, warrants were issued for the arrest of Louis-Joseph Papineau and the other main leaders of the Patriot movement. On December 12, a proclamation was made offering $4000 to anyone who brought Papineau to justice. He sought refuge in Albany, New York, where he stayed for two years. He moved to Paris in 1839, and stayed there for almost four years.
When he returned to the colony, Papineau was granted amnesty thanks to the influence of Louis-Hippolyte La Fontaine. He was re-elected to the Parliament of United Canada in January 1848 as the Member for Saint-Maurice. In 1852, he was elected member for Deux-Montagnes. Papineau retired from politics in 1854. He died September 23, 1871, at 85 years of age.
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/confederation/h18-2089-e.html
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Muharram 1426 A.H. on February 11, 2005, 08:53:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 11, 2005, 08:38:28 PM ---Infinite; Is a man who speaks good but contradicts his good words with evil acts a good man?
For example, If I say I'm going to devise a plan to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless but do not act on it, should I be considered great?
--- End quote ---
It depends on if he sincerely intended on doing the action or not. If he intended on doing it, but something out of his control prevented him from accomplishing it, then he still deserves to be rewarded.
If your question is in response to the Martin Luther thing, I don't have a position on him personally, I was just stimulating the debate.
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I mean, if I don't do it by choice. Not if I tried but failed because powers stronger than me kept me down. I mean if I say somethign great but do not act.
Eminem, Great Man? I don't think so. I think he's a talented rapper and strong willed but not great as a human or a leader. He doesn't lead anyone in a way that matters. He went through this period a couple years ago where what he said was gospel to most white kids and he purposely chose not to capitolize on that influence in a positive way, in order to protect his rap career finacially. Moby called him on it in a very polite way and Em threatened him. Let's not even get into how bad his childhood really was. Em is a strong willed artist, but he is a weak weak man when it comes to moral fibre and integrity. I'll follow George Bush into war before I'll follow Marshal Mathers.
M Dogg™:
greatest white leader of the young century
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