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Great White Leaders In History?
*Jamal*:
Adolf Hitler
white Boy:
^i agree
Don Rizzle:
Winston Churchill A truely great leader and hero of mine.
Shallow:
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I mean, if I don't do it by choice. Not if I tried but failed because powers stronger than me kept me down. I mean if I say somethign great but do not act.
Eminem, Great Man? I don't think so. I think he's a talented rapper and strong willed but not great as a human or a leader. He doesn't lead anyone in a way that matters. He went through this period a couple years ago where what he said was gospel to most white kids and he purposely chose not to capitolize on that influence in a positive way, in order to protect his rap career finacially. Moby called him on it in a very polite way and Em threatened him. Let's not even get into how bad his childhood really was. Em is a strong willed artist, but he is a weak weak man when it comes to moral fibre and integrity. I'll follow George Bush into war before I'll follow Marshal Mathers.
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Eminem is a great man in the same way that Jackie Robinson is considered a great man for breaking the color barrier in his field.
And as for your previous question, if someone says something good and does the opposite on purpose, that's doesn't sound like the description of a great person.
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But Jackie Robinson was the firt major league black ball player. His signing set a precendent for the entire leauge of professional baseball. Eminem was not the first white rapper, and he did not in any way lead to more white rappers, because their aren't any more. The Beastie Boys were out and resected well before Eminem was signed to a contract. Eminem's influence pales in comparison to Elvis's. When Elvis was exposed to the world it made it okay for whites to like black music. This directly lead to dozens of black acts getting signed to national exposure. It also lead to dozens of country acts getting the same treatment. Elvis's music brought both black RnB and white country to the masses and a lot of poor people became very rich. However, much like Eminem, this feats do not make Elvis or Robinson great men or leaders. More credit should go to the men that signed Elvis and Robinson.
And as for the great words but no action leading to a non-great man; by that same token isn't a man who speaks wrongfully but acts otherwise a non-evil man?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 12, 2005, 10:20:21 AM ---
And as for the great words but no action leading to a non-great man; by that same token isn't a man who speaks wrongfully but acts otherwise a non-evil man?
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First of all, about the Eminem thing. My first love in highschool was hip-hop. That's why I thought in 1999 that Eminem was a great white man, because he was the best rapper out there. His rhyme schemes and concepts were unfadeable. Any true hip-hop head had to respect him, and the fact that he was white, made it even more remarkable. Now obviously, this is speaking from the perspective of a hip-hop head. If we are speaking from a global, populist perspective, then obviously Jackie Robinson had a much larger impact.
Next, about the guy who speaks wrongfully but doesn't act wrongfully, it's still wrong. Because he is an influential person. So when he says something others follow.
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