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Don Rizzle:
the theory of everyone working together for good of one entity has always interested me we all know it has failed in this capitalist dominated world but id like you to just think about what might of happenned if it hadn't been a clash of civilisations, if communists had been left free to run their affairs under their own idealoligies. The reason i bring this up is that ever since ww2 until the fall of the soviet union its been capitilism vs communism and the capitalists were the victor, but if there wasn't this culture of aggression between the two ways of life could communisism flurish? or do think it would be riddled with corruption and deception, would there be the need for this when you take the elements of foreign aggression out of the equation? or would there be increased suspicion over foreign motives when every country is vigorously pursueing their nationalist agenda. i'm interested on all of your thaughts on this subject.

Sikotic™:
In a perfect world, capitalism would of been choice. Unfortunately, the hearts of men are selfish, greedy, fucked up, etc. etc. so capitalism is the best fit for this glove. Unlike communism, capitalism gives you a lot more drive to get up and contribute to the system because you just just be lazy and feed off of it. Ypu get lazy in the capitalist atmosphere and your ass is on the street.

I also think people like to have more control over their destiny. I know I wouldn't want someone telling me what to do, where to work, yadda yadda. That would be the case for me if I were in a communist situation.

*Jamal*:
The reason that communism has failed in certain cases has much to do with the way it was organized. Miscalculations of quotas and demand resulted in shortages and surpluses that hurt the economies. However, if you look at Cuba, you'll find that the living standard and economy in Cuba is relatively better than that of many other Latin American countries.

nibs:
Siko-lic-no bitch azz niggaz, So when you see the B-D-O-double G, sleep creep low:
Unlike communism, capitalism gives you a lot more drive to get up and contribute to the system because you just just be lazy and feed off of it. Ypu get lazy in the capitalist atmosphere and your ass is on the street.

i disagree with you there.  communism isn't about sharing everything equally with everyone, it's about establishing a solid baseline for everyone.  for example, guaranteeing that everyone has a job, food, shelter and adequate health care.  you can still reward talent and excellence within a communist society, that is where luxury plays in.  however, people that are lazy and unmotivated can work as street sweepers and live at that baseline.

additionally, you can borrow the motivating factors from capitalist societies.
for example, you can employ red teaming to synthesize competition.  even with a state controlled economy and state controlled industry that doesn't mean there can only be one type of dishwashing liquid.  you can have two or three players in an industry, they compete amongst themselves, excellence is rewarded, incompetence is punished...etc.  the military does this to some extent, creating red teams to act as an adaptive intelligent enemy against military planning. 

the biggest problem with capitalism is that the incentive is not to satisfy the consumer but the owners, investors and share-holders.  if you can make a process 50% more efficient, it doesn't make sense to lower the costs to the consumer by 50%, but to pocket a large chunk of that as profit until (if ever) your competition catches up.  capitalism also reward monopolistic behavior, there's no reason not to.  which is why governments have to step in and regulate.  government also has had to step in to regulate worker rights, workplace safety, environmental regulations.  with capitalism the bottom line is always profits and not the community or the consumers.  if you look at the pro-capitalism arguments, consumer benefit and community benefit is alway a by-product of competition, never the goal.  with state run industry and a state controlled economy, there is no incentive to cheat consumers, there is only an incentive towards perpetually increasing efficiency.

that said, communism and socialism have both proven to be too susceptible to corruption.  although the track record for democracy and capitalism isn't much better.

Suffice:
u might have heard of a little country named China. THey have communism politics and socialist market economy, the fastest growing economy in the world

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