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Pope says gay marriage part of 'ideology of evil'
QCDutch:
I mean believing in something is cool but let someone else have his own believes
mauzip:
^^comparing abortion with the holocaust is insane. he should be prosecuted for that.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. The Legal Alien on February 24, 2005, 06:39:25 AM ---^^comparing abortion with the holocaust is insane. he should be prosecuted for that.
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Posecuted? That was the stupidest thing you've said so far. Let's get one thing straight; I'm not Catholic and do not look at the Pope for leadership, but I see where he's coming from on these issues. Having the Church allow Gay marriages is a stepping stone for incestuous marriages. If he allows two men to get married then he'll have less of a case when it comes to a father and daughter or brother and sister, or even brother and brother, getting married. I personally don't have a problem either way but I can see how some might.
Now as for your claim that he should be prosecuted; there is nothing illegal about making outlandish comparisons. You only take it so far because you are either Jewish or have been brain washed by the media and think the the Holocaust of the 1930s and 40s in Germany was the worst thing to ever happen to any people anywhere. Well, I hate to break it to you but it happened a lot more than once and to more than just the Jews. It just so happens that the only one the we seem to hear about was that one. When did the Pope say he didn't care about the the killing of 6 million Jews? Just curious.
One more question on abortion; why is it okay to kill a fetus at 6 weeks but not at 6 months? and if you found out that a fetus could survive with out the mother from day one would you still support it?
mauzip:
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 24, 2005, 07:10:41 AM ---Posecuted? That was the stupidest thing you've said so far.
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He creates hate against a big group of people, but in the position he's in he also hurts a big number in that group of people. Why do you think gay activists have tried to prosecute the pope several times before? It's the same principle, even though I think gays have better arguments to sue the pope than holocaust victims do.
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 24, 2005, 07:10:41 AM ---You only take it so far because you are either Jewish or have been brain washed by the media and think the the Holocaust of the 1930s and 40s in Germany was the worst thing to ever happen to any people anywhere. Well, I hate to break it to you but it happened a lot more than once and to more than just the Jews. It just so happens that the only one the we seem to hear about was that one.
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I'm not jewish. I know a lot more happened in WW2 than just the holocaust, but like I already said: the pope has a too big of influence on people to say shit like that.
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 24, 2005, 07:10:41 AM ---When did the Pope say he didn't care about the the killing of 6 million Jews? Just curious.
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He never did, but as far as I know no pope has ever apologized for doing nothing against the holocaust in WW2.
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 24, 2005, 07:10:41 AM ---One more question on abortion; why is it okay to kill a fetus at 6 weeks but not at 6 months?
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A 6-months-old foetus feels pain, realizes it has pain, it suffers; a foetus of 6 weeks doesn't. There's a reason why there's a law that states the maximum number of weeks a woman can be pregnant in order to have an abortion done.
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 24, 2005, 07:10:41 AM ---and if you found out that a fetus could survive with out the mother from day one would you still support it?
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Yes. If a woman won't be able to take care of her baby, is pregnant from a rapist or has another good reason not to keep it, she has the right to do an abortion. This is kinda black and white how I state it, but there's of course a grey area in this too since the (possible) father(s) should also have a vote in it.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. The Legal Alien on February 24, 2005, 07:55:14 AM ---He creates hate against a big group of people, but in the position he's in he also hurts a big number in that group of people. Why do you think gay activists have tried to prosecute the pope several times before? It's the same principle, even though I think gays have better arguments to sue the pope than holocaust victims do.
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I think there is a difference between organizing hate inspired physical attacks and stating opinions already held by every devout catholic. Anyone that attacks a homosexual because the all of the sudden the Pope said it was evil is insane and could be triggered by any numbers of things.
--- Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. The Legal Alien on February 24, 2005, 07:55:14 AM ---I'm not jewish. I know a lot more happened in WW2 than just the holocaust, but like I already said: the pope has a too big of influence on people to say shit like that.
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I meant all the other holocausts and genocides that happened since and before the holocaust of WW2.
--- Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. The Legal Alien on February 24, 2005, 07:55:14 AM ---He never did, but as far as I know no pope has ever apologized for doing nothing against the holocaust in WW2.
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I am of Greek descent. My ancestors were enslaved by Turkey between 1453 and 1821. After regaining independence of half of Grece (the current Greece) Turkey became more brutal with it's occupied countries. In 1915 they killed nearly 2 million Armenians in what Churchill called a holocaust. They also killed any Greek in the Turkish side of Greece that was never freed. My paternal grandfather had family on that side. Members of his family (and mine) were brutally murdered as a result of this holocaust. Not only has Turkey never apologized for this, but they don't even admit to having done it. None the less, I have never asked for an apology from any Turk and don't care if their Governement issues one, because no one currently in power had anything to do with the slavery or the genocide. Pope John Paul II was not directly responsible for anything Hitler did. I don't think he should have to apologize for anything.
--- Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. The Legal Alien on February 24, 2005, 07:55:14 AM ---A 6-months-old foetus feels pain, realizes it has pain, it suffers; a foetus of 6 weeks doesn't. There's a reason why there's a law that states the maximum number of weeks a woman can be pregnant in order to have an abortion done.
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Current Science says a 6 week fetus feels no pain. What would you say if a new scientific discovery showed that a fetus can feel pain upon conception?
--- Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. The Legal Alien on February 24, 2005, 07:55:14 AM ---Yes. If a woman won't be able to take care of her baby, is pregnant from a rapist or has another good reason not to keep it, she has the right to do an abortion. This is kinda black and white how I state it, but there's of course a grey area in this too since the (possible) father(s) should also have a vote in it.
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What if the government were to make it illegal but provide care for any otherwise aborted child. Would you be against that?
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