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Trauma, tell us about the Church of Latter Day Saints and how you became Mormon
acbaylove:
But that's not even the problem. I mean i dont think there are good religions and bad religions. I dont think a person is "nice and good" if he has an opinion instead of another, or if he calls his God Allah or whatever. The evil is inside every man, no matter the color of his skin, or the religion he supports, or the set he claims. A man is "nice and good" if he controls this evil who's inside of him. If he does it with the help of a religion, then good for him. If he does it not believing in a God (like 7even, for example), then good for him. I dont care with religion he follows. If he follows one. I'm Christian. There are Christians who cant control the evil. There are Christians who supported the war and Christians who didnt. So it has nothing to do with "external" things, or with religions. It's all about yourself. You have to control evil. If you dont, you aint "nice and good". Simple.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Antonio on March 12, 2005, 06:31:49 AM ---What being a good and nice people has to do with the war in Iraq, man?
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What do good and nice people have to do with Iraq? Good and nice people stood up against the war in Iraq.
--- Quote from: Antonio on March 12, 2005, 06:31:49 AM ---
Shit, you are pathetic now. Like if Christians never fought a war. Like if Muslims aint killing other people for Allah.
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I never said Muslims hadn't killed anyone for Allah, they have. Even the Prophet Muhammad killed people for Allah. The Noble Qu'ran gives Muslims to permission to fight against people who fight them.
--- Quote from: Antonio on March 12, 2005, 06:31:49 AM ---
Like if in Africa they aint killing millions of people just cause they dont want to follow a religion. Like if.. shit, why am i wasting my time with you anyway?
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What does Africa have to do with anything? I don't understand why you brought up Africa in replying to my statements. Maybe your emotions got in the way, calm down, and try to make sense next time, and maybe we can have a decent discussion.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Safar, 1426 Years After Hijrah on March 12, 2005, 10:50:07 PM ---What do good and nice people have to do with Iraq? Good and nice people stood up against the war in Iraq.
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Against every war, not only that one. Good and nice people should love jews, they should not be kamikazee, they should not kill Americans not even if America is invading your Country. They should just love and respect. So, like you can see, it's pointless to say so, cause this shit will never happens.
--- Quote ---I never said Muslims hadn't killed anyone for Allah, they have. Even the Prophet Muhammad killed people for Allah. The Noble Qu'ran gives Muslims to permission to fight against people who fight them.
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ROFL!! So you can kill sometimes, and sometimes not? It all depends? What a stupid point you have here? Sorry if it's disrespecting for the Qu'ran, i dont want to, but c'mon now!! You're talking about "good and nice" people, and at the same time you are saying "the Noble Qu'ran gives Muslims to permission to fight against people who fight them"? The fact it's written in a book doesnt make a killer a "good and nice" person imo. He's still a killer. I cant accept that. I'm a Christian. My Church doesnt permitt you to kill, not even to defend yourself. An homicide is an homicide. If you are a true Christian, you should die instead of killing another people. That's the highest expression of love (to God) possible. To die instead of to kill. There's a whole different philosophy here between "us" and "you", and that's the reason why you can never blame Christians to do wars in the name of our God. When Christians do it, they're doing it for themselves, not for our God or religion. When Bush said he was fighting with the blessing of God, he was just lying. He did this war for himself, not for God. Cause the Church is against any war, occupations, rebellions. And the philosophy you just reported is the main reason why Muslim is "dangerous" in the minds of stupid people. Cause when you think you can kill someone and your God will be happy about it, you became a monster. So much that you can destroy other people's life, children, women, innocent people, you can flight into the Two Towers, you can kill italian Carabinieri, behead journalists, etc.. You should hold on and reflect about it. To kill someone for defence is still an homicide.
--- Quote ---What does Africa have to do with anything? I don't understand why you brought up Africa in replying to my statements. Maybe your emotions got in the way, calm down, and try to make sense next time, and maybe we can have a decent discussion.
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Isnt Africa a Continent like Europe, America and Asia? Well this shit of people killing for their religion happens there too, if you didnt know. More than in Asia, more than in Europa, more than in America. So yes, Africa.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Antonio on March 13, 2005, 03:56:55 AM ---
Against every war, not only that one. Good and nice people should love jews, they should not be kamikazee, they should not kill Americans not even if America is invading your Country. They should just love and respect. So, like you can see, it's pointless to say so, cause this shit will never happens.
ROFL!! So you can kill sometimes, and sometimes not? It all depends? What a stupid point you have here? Sorry if it's disrespecting for the Qu'ran, i dont want to, but c'mon now!! You're talking about "good and nice" people, and at the same time you are saying "the Noble Qu'ran gives Muslims to permission to fight against people who fight them"? The fact it's written in a book doesnt make a killer a "good and nice" person imo. He's still a killer. I cant accept that. I'm a Christian. My Church doesnt permitt you to kill, not even to defend yourself. An homicide is an homicide. If you are a true Christian, you should die instead of killing another people. That's the highest expression of love (to God) possible. To die instead of to kill. There's a whole different philosophy here between "us" and "you",
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So let's say someone invades your house, and starts abusing your wife and children, they tell you that you can keep the basement, but they take over the rest of the house, your just supposed to let them do it? What kind of man, husband, and father would you be? To let someone take over your house and have their own way with your wife and kids?...... Sometimes it is a very righteous thing to resist injustice.
--- Quote from: Antonio on March 13, 2005, 03:56:55 AM ---
Cause the Church is against any war, occupations, rebellions.
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^^ The Church was not against the war! That was the whole point of my post to Trauma in the first place. An official from the Church of Latter Day Saints said that the official stance of the Church was in support of the war and in support of George Bush.
--- Quote from: Antonio on March 13, 2005, 03:56:55 AM ---
Isnt Africa a Continent like Europe, America and Asia? Well this shit of people killing for their religion happens there too, if you didnt know. More than in Asia, more than in Europa, more than in America. So yes, Africa.
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I'll ask you the same question I asked you before. What does Africa have to do with anything? Why did you even bring Africa up?
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Safar, 1426 Years After Hijrah on March 13, 2005, 06:56:50 AM ---So let's say someone invades your house, and starts abusing your wife and children, they tell you that you can keep the basement, but they take over the rest of the house, your just supposed to let them do it? What kind of man, husband, and father would you be? To let someone take over your house and have their own way with your wife and kids?...... Sometimes it is a very righteous thing to resist injustice.
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I'm not saying that, hold on. I'm talking about killing people, not just defending yourself if someone is trying to kill you or your wife. Think about what you just wrote for a second please: you're justifying kamikazee's in Israel, you're justifying people beheading americans in the name of Allah, you're justifying massacres. You're justifying the same war, but from another point of view: from the Iraq side. That's why i think Qu'ran can be dangerous. My Church (Roman Church) is against any type of violence, no matter who started it. So like that no war can be justified, no murder can have a justification. That's the main difference between our religions, i think. It's the philosophy that is different. You are saying Americans are wrong and cant kill, but Iraqi can. That's dangerous, man. The Pope is against Americans and against Iraqi who kills. Cause deaths are all the same, there are no deaths who can be justified or, even worse, supported and allowed by a religion. Imo.
--- Quote ---^^ The Church was not against the war! That was the whole point of my post to Trauma in the first place. An official from the Church of Latter Day Saints said that the official stance of the Church was in support of the war and in support of George Bush.
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Sorry i dont understand. The Church of Latter Day Saints is a special branch of the Roman Church? I was talking about the Roman Church, Christians Catholics. This dialogue between me and you is Roman Church vs Muslims. I dont know if Trauma's religion supported the war. But for example Roman Church supported Italian mission in Iraq. But we aint there fighting a war. We're there helping Iraqi.
--- Quote ---I'll ask you the same question I asked you before. What does Africa have to do with anything? Why did you even bring Africa up?
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Shit i wasnt talking about muslims in particular. I was talking about the fact people still kill for religion. And that was just another example. I talked about Christians, about muslims, and about people in Africa too. If you dont like it, just ignore that line. But there are big problems there too. Only difference: no oil.
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