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"When We Were Kings" is the real Muhammad Ali movie
Trauma-san:
George Forman hit really hard, he was a huge man, and beat the SHIT out of anybody he got in the ring with. If you tried to fight him (which Joe Frazier had done), he would beat your ass. He'd hit you so hard in the stomach, one punch would knock you down. If you were trying to punch him, and he got lucky, and hit you with 1 punch in the face, it might knock you out. That's what Ali was up against... Foreman had already knocked out many, many boxers in the first round!
Side note: When Foreman came back into boxing in the 90's, he was well into his 40's, and no longer the tough, toned monster he was when he fought Ali. He was even flabby; overweight, and an old man. I once saw a fight, I swear to God, he walked in the ring (remember, in the 90's, when he was in his mid 40's)... he walked into the ring, an OLD MAN!... walked up to the chump fighting him, hit the guy square in the face with a left jab, took a step beside the guy (almost like he was just walking past him), and then brought a crashing right hand down on top of the guys head, knocked the dude flat the fuck out in the middle of the ring, two punches, and the match was over in about 4 seconds. I think (although I'm not sure) that holds the record for quickest match. ... and that was when he was an old man.
Anyways, Ali knew Foreman hit really, really, really hard... so he knew you'd be an idiot to try and box the guy, because if he hit you just a couple times it'd knock you out. So when Ali trained, he would have his sparring partners work his stomach, and just beat the hell out of him, while he tried to protect himself the best he could. When Ali got into the ring with Foreman, he knew Foreman had an attitude, and would get really angry if Ali wouldn't fight him... so he just layed up against the ropes, and protected his body. Ali had trained so well to resist bodyblows, that Foreman started beating on Ali's stomach, and the sides of his arms, protecting his face, and it didn't hurt Ali...if Ali had tried to punch Foreman, Foreman might have got lucky and hit Ali off guard, or maybe even got a good punch into his jaw or something, and could have possibly won the fight. Instead, Ali just layed there, letting Foreman beat the hell out of his protected body. Ali was so conditioned, you could have hit him in the stomach for 3 hours and not hurt him. Ali later commented that Foreman didn't hit as hard as he thought he would, that a white guy named Ken Norton was the hardest hitting guy he had ever fought. Anyways.
Foreman was so pissed, in the ring, that Ali wouldn't fight, he beat the hell out of Ali, although it was to no avail, because Ali was so protected. Foreman wore himself out; since he'd knocked so many people out in the first round or two, he wasn't used to fighting a long match, so by the time the 6th or 7th round rolled around, Foreman was worn slap the hell out! If you'll watch, look how slow he's moving in the last round, he can barely swing his arms. Foreman swings at Ali... clumsily... Ali, the greatest of all time, ducks back, bounces off the ropes, here come the arms, 1,2,3, he hits him with three punches so fast Foreman didn't even know where the hell he was, and just like that, TAKES Foreman's heavyweight title from him. It's probably the most beautiful fight scene ever, watch it again... Ali just leannnnns back, the punch from Foreman misses, and then Ali just stings him, as he bounces off of the ropes behind him. Nobody could believe it after he won, it was an incredibly intelligent way to fight.
Ðøšïå:
do you think tyson in his prime could beat ali in his prime? i havnt watched a lot of ali fights so im jsut curious.
Trauma-san:
There's absolutely no way Mike Tyson could have beaten Muhammad Ali in his prime. Muhammad had the total package, he was intelligent so knew how to fight, he was lightning fast, which is rare for a heavyweight, and he hit hard as hell, even though he wasn't huge. He also had a peculiar habit of moving his head back, when he saw a punch coming. If you watch Muhammad fight, when somebody hit him in the head, they never landed a good blow, because Ali would move his head back away from the fist, so even if they hit him, it'd just be glancing. He didn't have any weaknesses, either, like a glass jaw or anything (After the rumble in the jungle, somebody figured out Foreman's weakness was his jaw, that's why he never went on to much after that fight). On top of that, Muhammad was a much bigger man than Tyson, who's weakness was always that he was kind of short. Ali would whip Mike Tyson's ass in a heartbeat.
Woodrow:
LMAO at finite editing his post to make him look like less of a moron.
TraceOneInfinite:
Trauma, what do you make of Don King? He is all over that documentary. Until watching that documentary, I had no idea that he played such a large role in making that fight happen. Had it not been for Don King, the greatest fight in history may not have ever happen. I mean, you can not talk about a better enviroment and set up for a fight. Ali, the Pan-Africanist goes back to Africa, to fight for the heavy wieght championship.
In the documentary, Don King appeared politically intelligent, he made scathing critisisms of the US government, and he was very much for the upliftment of disenfrachised blacks. Today, he is known for being a man who exploits black athletes, he is a part of the Republican party, and he's always waving an American flag and saying "only in America". Today, the media laughs at him and his quotes, he's almost treated like some kind of mascot.
So anyway, what do you make of this guy Don King? After watching the documentary, it gave me a little respect for him, for what he did in putting that event together.
...... also I think one of the reasons Foreman lost, was that Ali psychologically defeated him. Even before the fight had started, Ali had thoroughly humiliated Foreman infront of his African brothers and sisters. In the documentary, Foreman kept saying, "And tell the African people that that hurts my feelings when everywhere I go they say, Foreman, kill him! I want the African people to know that I love them, they are my brothers!" He was clearly hurt by the hate he recieved from his own people.
....... also, one more thing, Formeman's story is an interesting one as well. He said, along with the Ali fight, there was one event that hurt him more than any event in his carear. He won the gold medal in the Olympics, and upon defeating his openent he waved the American flag in the middle of the ring. He was elated, it was the happiest moment of his life, he had just won the gold medal, so he was celebrating, waving the American flag. When he came home all of his people hated on him everywhere he went, for waving the American flag after his victory. He said it crushed him, because they ruined the memory of the happiest moment of his life.-- Kind of sad.
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