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Fake News
nibs:
Fathom:
Every news station has some type of slant. Fox has a right wing bias. Every other news station has a left wing bias.
fox news is blatantly dishonest.
and every other news station is not left biased.
larry kudlow and jim cramer over on cnbc are conservative. dennis miller on cnbc is conservative.
joe scarborough, chris matthews, dan abrams over on msnbc are all conservative.
wolf blitzer, lou dobbs over at cnn are conservative. aaron brown and paula zahn (formerly of fox news) both slurp power and oft tow the conservative line.
cable news does not have a liberal bias.
people used to criticize broadcast news, but brian williams is a moderate conservative and he's taken over for tom brokaw.
with dan rather out bob schieffer is another moderate conservative.
tv media is pretty conservative, especially cable news.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: nibs on March 16, 2005, 08:43:16 AM ---fox news is blatantly dishonest.
and every other news station is not left biased.
larry kudlow and jim cramer over on cnbc are conservative. dennis miller on cnbc is conservative.
joe scarborough, chris matthews, dan abrams over on msnbc are all conservative.
wolf blitzer, lou dobbs over at cnn are conservative. aaron brown and paula zahn (formerly of fox news) both slurp power and oft tow the conservative line.
cable news does not have a liberal bias.
people used to criticize broadcast news, but brian williams is a moderate conservative and he's taken over for tom brokaw.
with dan rather out bob schieffer is another moderate conservative.
tv media is pretty conservative, especially cable news.
--- End quote ---
LOL.
Have you watched any of the shit you're talking about?
nibs:
Woodrow:
LOL.
Have you watched any of the shit you're talking about?
yes. single something out specifically that you disagree with. you'll notice that i didn't mention keith olberman, who is certainly left leaning but tries to call it down the middle. i also didn't mention anderson cooper or john mcenroe, primarily because i don't watch either of those shows.
tune into msnbc right now, connected "coast to coast". monica crowley runs that show and is very conservative. she's "balanced" by ron reagan who seems to have a subordinate roll on the show, like hannity and combs, but with actual reporting. they're actually talking about this issue of fake news right now.
nibs:
no intent to backup your claims ,woodrow? i'll step it up:
larry kudlow - dude is out of the reagan administration and was a part of the bush-cheney team at one point.
jim cramer - jim claims to be a democrat. however, he never really checked kudlow when they had their show together; and he supports alot of bush policy; like ss privitazition and such. so i lumped him in here.
joe scarborough - former republican congresman who left office after a female assistant was murdered in his office over the weekend iirc.
chris matthews - former democrat (under jimmy carter) that's pretty much a conservative now. arnold swar... greeted dude as "a good conservative" just saturday at a forum he hosted. he was pissed at the bush administration as they misrepresented a comment i believe john kerry had made on his show, he also clowned michele maulkin but other than that, he doesn't go against them much.
dan abrams over on msnbc are all conservative.
wolf blitzer - dude gets critical for not being critical of the bush administration and also his support of the iraq war
lou dobbs - lou admits to being conservative.
brian williams - describes himself as a moderate that listens to rush limbaugh to brian lamb. a limbaugh fan?
bob schieffer - has been trashed by the liberal media for his support and coverage of social security privatization. surely he can't have a liberal bias if he's being trashed by liberals.
look. i'll move chris matthews into the category with aaron brown and paula zahn, the category for people that simply haven't been critical of the bush administration.
but there is no liberal bias among those three or anywhere on the list. and there is a conservative bias where indicated.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: nibs on March 16, 2005, 02:22:26 PM ---no intent to backup your claims ,woodrow? i'll step it up:
larry kudlow - dude is out of the reagan administration and was a part of the bush-cheney team at one point.
jim cramer - jim claims to be a democrat. however, he never really checked kudlow when they had their show together; and he supports alot of bush policy; like ss privitazition and such. so i lumped him in here.
joe scarborough - former republican congresman who left office after a female assistant was murdered in his office over the weekend iirc.
chris matthews - former democrat (under jimmy carter) that's pretty much a conservative now. arnold swar... greeted dude as "a good conservative" just saturday at a forum he hosted. he was pissed at the bush administration as they misrepresented a comment i believe john kerry had made on his show, he also clowned michele maulkin but other than that, he doesn't go against them much.
dan abrams over on msnbc are all conservative.
wolf blitzer - dude gets critical for not being critical of the bush administration and also his support of the iraq war
lou dobbs - lou admits to being conservative.
brian williams - describes himself as a moderate that listens to rush limbaugh to brian lamb. a limbaugh fan?
bob schieffer - has been trashed by the liberal media for his support and coverage of social security privatization. surely he can't have a liberal bias if he's being trashed by liberals.
look. i'll move chris matthews into the category with aaron brown and paula zahn, the category for people that simply haven't been critical of the bush administration.
but there is no liberal bias among those three or anywhere on the list. and there is a conservative bias where indicated.
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Sorry, I've got things to do during the day and can't reply on your schedule.
Bias is a very, very insidious thing, and it's not always what you report, but how you frame the story. Is mainstream media biased? I can't imagine how you can argue it's not. There must be some reason approximately half the country feels compelled to flock to "alternative" news sources such as blogs, talk radio, and Fox News in ever increasing numbers.
I guess I'll reply to your list of reporters with one of my own.
Dan Rather
Peter Jennings
Matt Lauer
Hugh Downs
John Roberts
Diane Sawyer
George Stephanopoulos
Keith Olbermann
Anderson Cooper
Who's list is more well known?
I don't watch too much TV but I can tell you that you tried to portray with your list or people as being unopposed with their views. Thats simply not the case and you know it. If anything, the reporter you listed aren't conservative, just bad journalists. Remember when Al Gore told Wolf Blitzer that he invented the internet and Wolf Bllitzer just noded? That is conservative in your view?
You seem to watch a lot of TV news so you should know that what the news channels attempt to do is take somebody from the far left and have them argue with an individual from the far right. I guess thats conservative?
I'm gonna leave you with a quotes from people on your "conservative" list.
Chris Matthews: "We're talking about the President's plan, which is, on top of the half-trillion dollars in deficit we have each year now in the federal government, adding more and more debt, more and more money we owe the Chinese and Japanese investors....Why don't they just start paying people in their Social Security checks with yen, because we're getting money from them to pay the older folks their regular check?"
Former Democratic presidential candiate Al Sharpton: "Well, that was a great soundbite, Chris. I might use it."
Here Brian Williams blames the US for 9/11
"I was going to say we'd have to go back to the days of the Empire, and that gives the U.S. obvious military swagger. Does it give them any kind of moral courage above anyone else and anyone's world, and isn't that world view part of what got the United States in trouble September 11th
This was said on his old program the The News back on September 18th 2002.
Bob Scheiffer's questions at the presidential debates:
"Senator Kerry, the gap between rich and poor is growing wider. More people are dropping into poverty. Yet the minimum wage has been stuck at, what, $5.15 an hour now for about seven years. Is it time to raise it?"
"Mr. President,...you said that if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that you'd sign the legislation. But you did nothing to encourage the Congress to extend it. Why not?"
More Bob Scheiffer:"Whether you agree with him or disagree with him, you now know where John Kerry stands on what has happened in Iraq."
"This is the best speech I have ever heard John Kerry make. I listened to a lot of speeches back there in the primary. This was the best. This was a very deft critique of policy."
"No matter how bad the news from Vietnam was, official after official came on Face the Nation to say progress was being made, the press just wasn't reporting it. From the day the war turned bad in Iraq, you could take the words that were said back then and put them into the mouths of today's administration spokesmen and never notice the difference."
"The President said this week that we are winning and that this violence just shows that the other side is getting desperate. But if this is winning, you have to ask the question: How much of this ‘winning' can we stand?"
"I'll lay my cards on the table: I think anti-ballistic missile defense systems are a bad idea and this is something I've thought for 20 years."
Wolf Blitzer asks if mourners at regans funeral are "American":
"Can you tell, Thelma,...if the crowds really look like America? Are they ethnically diverse - African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans - or is it largely white?"
More Wolf:
"Alan Greenspan said in recent days that because of the huge budget deficit - $500 billion, at least for the foreseeable future - if you want to keep those tax cuts that you pushed through Congress, you're going to have to start thinking of reducing Social Security benefits for the baby boomers, future generations. Is he right?"
"If War Happens, Another Quagmire?"
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