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Bonds Could be done for the season
Perfection:
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--- Quote from: Javier on March 22, 2005, 07:09:11 PM ---Barry Bonds* needs to retire already. This was the Giants best year before they go completely downhill...looks like the downhill road will start in 2005. and the dodgers are about to go on complete NL West dominance until another GM comes up with the perfect plan from the NL West
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The Dodgers aren't doing a damn thing. Hey I'm a Dodger fan but the GM of the Dodgers Paul D is an complete idoit who has made some of the dumbest moves in the history of sports. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere until they get a GM who knows what he is doing and doesn't base oa move on the fact that his buddy Billy Bean might give him a pat on the back.
The Giants are still go enough to win the NL West (this is coming from Peter Gammons) & the Padres are also better than the Dodgers.
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im suprised you are a dodger fan, u really dont know your team.
The giants are not still good enough to win the division. Lets look at them position by position
C- Mike Matheny vs Jason Phillips. Matheny is just a solid defensive catcher with no offense at all. Jason Phillips has had one very good rookie year and one horrible year(still better than Matheny) expect for Phillips to have a year thats in between 03 and 04. Advantage Dodgers
1B- JT Snow vs Choi. Seems to me that Snow juiced up last year all of a sudden he put up huge numbers in his late 30s...Choi has shown brilliance in the major leauge level but has not been consistent either cuz of an injury or a change of teams in the middle of the season. ADvantage Giants.
2B Ray Dhuram vs Jeff Kent. Now Durham is the Giants best position player without Bonds on the team, and even with that title Jeff Kent is better than him. Advantage Dodgers
SS- Omar Vizquel vs Izturis. unless Izturis still improves from last year this should be equal. Equal
3b- Edgardo Alfonzo vs Valentin/Nakamura. Equal again....Alfonzo though good has lost power year by year and Valentin just came from bombing 30. Equal
LF- Giants backup OF vs Werth. Wether its Tucker or another Giant hes not going to be better than Werth, or even our backup Ledee Advantage Dodgers
CF- Grissom vs Bradley- one is declining and the other is improing yeat by year. Advantage Dodgers
RF- Alou vs JD Drew- Alou's road stats last year were a joke, Wrigley field helped him A LOT. Advantage Dodgers
Starting Pitchers- Advantage Dodgers
Bullpen- Advantage Dodgers
Bench- Advantage Dodgers
and what the fuck was so wrong bout the trades Depodesta has done? It wasnt his fault Penny got injured or that Choi got into a slump due to the fact that he was trying to impress the hell out of everybody. Lo Duca is getting paid 6-7 million ayear for the next 3years to be a declining Catcher YESS GOOD LUCK FLORIDA! On the other hand we have Phillips who can produce, Navarro and Martin in the wings to be our fututre Catcher for a good number of years.
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Before the trades Depodesta made during the season it used to be that if the Dodgers had a lead going into the 6th or 7th it was over, then he trades Motta and Lo Duca, the Dodgers start blowing leads in the 6th, 7th, & 8th innings forcing them to use Gagne for 3 inning, thus burning him out. The guys he replaced Lo Duca with couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and Brad Penny pitches about 2 innings. Pretty much every baseball analist said that deal was one of the dumpest deals in MLB history. FF to this offseason, they let Beltre go, trade Green for nothing, almost traded Penny to the D-Backs and give J.D. Drew a $55 million contract. I mean if you had a problem with what Lo Duca is making than how can you not have a problem with the contract for Drew? Bsides Derek Lowe who's in that Dodger rotation that can be counted on? Brad Penny? I don't think so, he's only a .500 pitcher to begin with and can you trust that he stays healthy? And untiil Gagne gets back from injury the Dodgers bullpen isn't that great has proven when they traded Motta.I think I'm going to take what Petyer Gammons says about the Dodges and Giants more seriously than anyone else's view on those two teams.
Javier:
Fact.
Brazobans ERA in the final months of the season 2.20.
Mota's ERA after the trade 4.81
Brazoban a cheaper and younger option. Ill take Brazoban over Mota. The dodgers just ended up losing one game after taking the lead in in the final 3 innings. only one...that was before Brazoban got called up and DReiffort was begging to get injured.
Penny didnt just pitch 2 innings, his first start was 8 innings , 2 infield hits given up and no runs. Wins Losses has nothing to do with the way a pitcher should be evaluated. Penny was the Marlins secondbest pitcher at the time ofthe trade with an ERA of 3.15!!! Its not his fault he didnt have good enough run support to win more.
Derek Lowe, yes overpaid but what other FA pitcher wasnt? hes moving from a stadium where doubles are given up at the highest rate to Dodger Stadium a stadium where doubles are giving up at the lowest rate. Even with the horrible year he had last year he still only gave up 13 Home runs...expect him to do muuuuuuch better. An Era of under 4.25 Odalis Perez is a very good pitcher that is underrated tjat can give you an ERA of under 4, Weaver a pitcher that posted up an ERA Of 4.00. and Erickson/Alvarez/Dessens can all post up better numbers thanwhat Ishii will put up.
Drew is not overpaid. Drew's win shares of last year was 34, Beltres was 36. If healthy is worth the money. This is a guy who can give you a 300BA, 400OBP, and a 500SLG. Thats excellent.
Traded Green for nothing? Dioner Navarro is a very good catching prospect and might be ready in 2006.
If Lo Duca, Mota, and Encarnacion would have stayed with the team that means...
-No Werth
-Not being able to resign Odalis
-Not Being able to Sign Derek Lowe
-Prolly piss off Gagne for trying to offer a lower deal for him
-looking at a rotation of...
1. Weaver
2. Nomo
3. Ishii
4. Alvarez
5. Lima
Potentially could have been one of the worse rotations in baseball
Perfection:
--- Quote from: Javier on March 25, 2005, 01:41:06 PM ---Fact.
Brazobans ERA in the final months of the season 2.20.
Mota's ERA after the trade 4.81
Brazoban a cheaper and younger option. Ill take Brazoban over Mota. The dodgers just ended up losing one game after taking the lead in in the final 3 innings. only one...that was before Brazoban got called up and DReiffort was begging to get injured.
Penny didnt just pitch 2 innings, his first start was 8 innings , 2 infield hits given up and no runs. Wins Losses has nothing to do with the way a pitcher should be evaluated. Penny was the Marlins secondbest pitcher at the time ofthe trade with an ERA of 3.15!!! Its not his fault he didnt have good enough run support to win more.
Derek Lowe, yes overpaid but what other FA pitcher wasnt? hes moving from a stadium where doubles are given up at the highest rate to Dodger Stadium a stadium where doubles are giving up at the lowest rate. Even with the horrible year he had last year he still only gave up 13 Home runs...expect him to do muuuuuuch better. An Era of under 4.25 Odalis Perez is a very good pitcher that is underrated tjat can give you an ERA of under 4, Weaver a pitcher that posted up an ERA Of 4.00. and Erickson/Alvarez/Dessens can all post up better numbers thanwhat Ishii will put up.
Drew is not overpaid. Drew's win shares of last year was 34, Beltres was 36. If healthy is worth the money. This is a guy who can give you a 300BA, 400OBP, and a 500SLG. Thats excellent.
Traded Green for nothing? Dioner Navarro is a very good catching prospect and might be ready in 2006.
If Lo Duca, Mota, and Encarnacion would have stayed with the team that means...
-No Werth
-Not being able to resign Odalis
-Not Being able to Sign Derek Lowe
-Prolly piss off Gagne for trying to offer a lower deal for him
-looking at a rotation of...
1. Weaver
2. Nomo
3. Ishii
4. Alvarez
5. Lima
Potentially could have been one of the worse rotations in baseball
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How many games did the Dodgers have to come back and win, they had to do that about 4 times in 2 weeks. When Mota was with the Dodgers he was unhittable. The Dodgers cathcers still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. When it comes to the J.D. Drew, I'll rather take the opinion of a guy like Peter Gammons or any other baseball expert that looked at this deal and saaid what was the Dodgers thinking. So far you're the only one I've heard say that any of those deals were good. I never said Lowe was over paid. Lo Duca was the heart of the Dodgers (and that's coming from the Dodgers) and the Dodgers still don't have a 1B and we'll wait and see if they have a catcher. I'll say it again, they need to get rid of Depodesta because he doesn't know what he is doing. And he's trying to model the Dodgers after the A's meaning that if they do get in the playoffs, they'll choke it away or they'll choke away the division in the final couple weeks of the season.
Javier:
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How many games did the Dodgers have to come back and win, they had to do that about 4 times in 2 weeks. When Mota was with the Dodgers he was unhittable. The Dodgers cathcers still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. When it comes to the J.D. Drew, I'll rather take the opinion of a guy like Peter Gammons or any other baseball expert that looked at this deal and saaid what was the Dodgers thinking. So far you're the only one I've heard say that any of those deals were good. I never said Lowe was over paid. Lo Duca was the heart of the Dodgers (and that's coming from the Dodgers) and the Dodgers still don't have a 1B and we'll wait and see if they have a catcher. I'll say it again, they need to get rid of Depodesta because he doesn't know what he is doing. And he's trying to model the Dodgers after the A's meaning that if they do get in the playoffs, they'll choke it away or they'll choke away the division in the final couple weeks of the season.
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Comeback victories have nothing to do with having a good set up pitcher, in which Brazoban was with his 2.20ERA! Now we do have a catcher that can hit, jason Phillips. even gammons must agree, if Drew is healthy hes huge and well worth the money. Lo Duca being the heart of the dodgers gave us 0 playoff appearances. Dodgers do have a 1b his name is Choi, and againts lefties it is Saenz. These two guys can post up better numbers than Ventura ( who would have been our 1b without depodesta). The Red Sox won the world series last year, Theo Epstein has the same philosohpy in evaluating players like Depodesta...in fact Depodesta is the most respected in the sabremetic community. The As have been unlucky in the playoffs but to have a 60million dollar payroll and be very competitive shows you something. The dodgers have to go through a detox of the days from Malone and Evans...Depodesta is trying to speed up the process and still remain competitive, he has done that.
I Am The Anton:
--- Quote from: Perfection on March 25, 2005, 12:46:31 PM ---
give J.D. Drew a $55 million contract. I mean if you had a problem with what Lo Duca is making than how can you not have a problem with the contract for Drew?
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ummm, because drew is better? much much better.
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