does anyone know how the tupac/LL beef started?

[topdogg187]

The same reason all of Pac's beef's started.  He was an insecure little man who had to fight with EVERYBODY.  All of his beefs were bullshit, and that's how he ran his life, it's also why he's dead. 

Whatever, anyone can think what they want, but the majority of people around the world, every magazine, and any poll that rolls along still praises and recognizes 2pac as the GOAT so i guess thats all it boils down to at the end of the day.

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The same reason all of Pac's beef's started.  He was an insecure little man who had to fight with EVERYBODY.  All of his beefs were bullshit, and that's how he ran his life, it's also why he's dead.

Wrong. 2pac gave props to LL in a song, in 1995. Later he started to beef with Biggie, and that's when LL dissed him. So 2pac went to the studio and he spoke about it in a pair of songs, recorded the same day, probably in 10-15 mins. That's 2pac. Dont forget we're talking about unreleased tracks. C'mon now.. And remember LL dissed him first after 2pac gave him props.

About the beefs he had, some were stupid, i agree. But i disagree on this one, expecially cause he never dissed LL in public.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Read Tupac's bodyguard's book.  He outlines what happened between LL and Pac.  It was an award show and Pac was about to start something with somebody (not LL) or something like that and L stopped him and Pac took offense to it.  Also, when I Shot Ya came out, I remember a lot of people saying he was talking about Ice T.  I could be wrong but back then when it came out, that's what people were saying.

[SGV]

Pac was fake. He was a Revolutionary Born and Raised in the East Coast turned Thugged Out Gangsta from L.A., virtually over night. He was a puppet for Suge Knight and did what he was told.

[Trauma-san]

Dont agree, i think suge had a lot to do wit pacs attitude in dissin people b4 all eyez on me who did pac have beef wit?

He's still a little man if he let Suge manipulate him like that. 

[Trauma-san]

The same reason all of Pac's beef's started.  He was an insecure little man who had to fight with EVERYBODY.  All of his beefs were bullshit, and that's how he ran his life, it's also why he's dead. 

Real talk on the most part.

The beef with Biggie was some deep shit IMO - if you believe someone had you set up to the extent that you would be killed, that's hardly a bullshit beef.

But all that extra shit with Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, Nas, Dre, De La, Fugees, LL and so on and so forth - bollocks. Like Trauma says, they were the product of a little guy who wanted to make himself look bigger. That shouldn't detract from what he achieved artistically, but it's true.

a real man takes no bullshit from noone no matter how small a diss.

death before dis-honour was pac's motto.

agree ...pac was a real dude who backed up the west ....

And now he's dead because of it.  He's a fucking idiot to put pride before his LIFE. 

[Trauma-san]

The same reason all of Pac's beef's started.  He was an insecure little man who had to fight with EVERYBODY.  All of his beefs were bullshit, and that's how he ran his life, it's also why he's dead. 

Whatever, anyone can think what they want, but the majority of people around the world, every magazine, and any poll that rolls along still praises and recognizes 2pac as the GOAT so i guess thats all it boils down to at the end of the day.

He's dead.  ... mainly because he fought with everybody, and talked non-stop shit.  I didn't say he's not the GOAT!!!!!, I just said he's DEAD. 

[Vegasmac25]

Suse was his puppet master no question about it but Pac was riding it cuz of the contract.Pac was going to start his own labal and there must of been a reason why.

[acbaylove]

The same reason all of Pac's beef's started.  He was an insecure little man who had to fight with EVERYBODY.  All of his beefs were bullshit, and that's how he ran his life, it's also why he's dead.

Wrong. 2pac gave props to LL in a song, in 1995. Later he started to beef with Biggie, and that's when LL dissed him. So 2pac went to the studio and he spoke about it in a pair of songs, recorded the same day, probably in 10-15 mins. That's 2pac. Dont forget we're talking about unreleased tracks. C'mon now.. And remember LL dissed him first after 2pac gave him props.

About the beefs he had, some were stupid, i agree. But i disagree on this one, expecially cause he never dissed LL in public.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Read Tupac's bodyguard's book.  He outlines what happened between LL and Pac.  It was an award show and Pac was about to start something with somebody (not LL) or something like that and L stopped him and Pac took offense to it.  Also, when I Shot Ya came out, I remember a lot of people saying he was talking about Ice T.  I could be wrong but back then when it came out, that's what people were saying.

lol man quit with that "wrong, wrong, wrong" shit, it's pretty homo.

[LCKv3]

GOAT? Not IMO.  Suge's Puppet? I don't agree with that either.
Pac was a very intelligent person, you can look at recordings he did as a teen and hear the kind of things he's reading and talking about to see who smart he was.  Tupac started making Gangsta rap when he went to Death Row.  He thought Biggie made an attempt on his life, so he shot back lyrically.  The media made him out to be a gangsta rapper after the shooting.  At that point I don't think he'd released anything that ran that way.  When he was healed and ready to start making music again, it was after a long period of dealing with what had happened to him and paranoia.  He then starts making songs to get at Big.

Pac was the type of person that didn't believe in saying something and not living it.  So he stopped making revolutionary music and living like a revolutionary, and started making gangsta rap and playing the part.

The most overused statement about Pac though is that he was planning to make a switch to more of a message... I don't see any proof of this in his music, other than unreleased tracks that were unreleased for a reason that his mom took and placed an RnB beat under.

[red]

lol man quit with that "wrong, wrong, wrong" shit, it's pretty homo.

homo??  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!