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Divergences between Italy and USA in the death of Italian SISMI agent

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7even:
Im not saying this is not fucked up or anything to that degree.

But, I have to reveal that you never really said negative things for shit about the US Army, war or Bush or whatever.

Yet, of course, they did a lot of shit fucked up enough to be angry about it. That's not an opinon of mine. That's a fact.

Still, you havent said shit. You argued against me sometime or the other, I think.

Now, they kill one person of your national kind, and this happens.






What I said isnt a comment on anything for that matter, I just said what the fuck is up. No statement or personal opinion involved. I leave it up to the individuals.. what they wanna think or not think about that phenomenon.



p.s.: of course this is fd up, of course I still say 'fuck the US foreign policy and the bush administration, fuck everyone who voted for him etc etc etc.. Im just sayin.. you know

Matrix Heart:

--- Quote from: Antonio on May 01, 2005, 09:07:29 AM ---http://download.repubblica.it/doc/omissis.doc

That's the full uncensored document US Army has done about the Calipari (Italian 007 agent) killed in a set-up. You can clearly see the name of the guy who killed Calipari, and all the things Americans didnt want to show. I'm really in a FUCK-US ARMY mood! I'm really pissed off! They killed a man, but they aint men enought to admit it, or to listen to our (alive) witnesses cause they know they fucked up.

BITCHES!! FUCK OMISSIS! FUCK OMERTA'! YOU KILLED OUR HERO CALIPARI! SHARE THE REAL DOCUMENT UNCENSORED!!!!!! THAT'S WORSE THAN USTICA AND CHERMIS!

I hope Italy will never be "friend" again with you bastards.

Out.

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Now don't you feel bad for joining the coalition and sending spies  :)

You guys got played.



--- Quote ---He then focused his green laser pointer onto the windshield of the car as it reached the Alert Line.
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Does that mean green light or green zone ? lmao @ high school dropouts.

acbaylove:

--- Quote from: Abdul Infinite aka Ibn Battuta on May 02, 2005, 03:36:01 AM ---This is just nationlism.  Humans will not advance until they realize we are citizens of the world. 

Antonio said very little while the US military murdered 100,000 Iraqi's, yet now he is outraged that he has lost his own in the same violent, imperialistic agenda that has killed so many before.

The chickens have came home to roost in Italy.  The Italian military has supported America in this war with a large deployment of troops, now one of their own has been killed in this senseless violence that kills dozens of people everyday in Iraq.

Maybe these Italians like Antonio (if so, I apologize) have been against the war since the beggining.  But as for the people who are only now raising their voices, the outrage needs to be against US transgressions across the board, and not just when it takes one of their own.
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No. I've said it a couple of times but i understand that probably Bush said unaccurate things about our mission (just to have another ally fighting the same enemy), so it's hard for you to know the truth. Anyway we wasnt there when the "real" (i mean the official) war was fought. We just gave US Army the authorization to flight over Italy and to use their basis, like every NATO Nation did. But it doesnt mean we supported/fought the war. We went in Iraq AFTER the war was "won", with our troops of peace-keeping. We're arguably one of the best nations in the world in these kind of missions, and the 3rd in the world for the numer of soldiers who are operating right now in peace-keeping missions (in Kossovo, Somalia, Afgh, etc). But we didnt fight Iraqi. Not a single Iraqi was been killed by us, while it's true the opposite: we've lost more than 20 lifes to protect/help them. We're there because ONU asked us to be there. Once i've said that, let me add 85% of Italians are against the war since day 1, and that i care about Iraqi. But this topic is on a whole different "level". We're not talking about the simple death of a man, but about international relationships between two "friend" nations who are about to froze. We're talking about political things. We're talking about the fact US Government lied to Italian Government to protect the responsables of the death of an Italian medal of honor. We're talking about the fact Italy was the only real "friend" US have in Europe other than England right now, and now he probably only has England left. We're talking about a political disaster.

acbaylove:

--- Quote from: november has come. on May 02, 2005, 03:41:37 AM ---so why did they had to kill him?
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It was an accident, nobody is said it was something different than that, but it doesnt mean there are no responsables or that it's us to be responsable for the death of Calipari and for the shooting. You know what i mean? Our high ranking military officer in Iraq told US colleague in the airport about our mission, but the US responsable didnt communicate it to the mobile patrol. So the mobile patrol didnt know the car was full of italians. So they shot it. Who's responsable in your opinion? The people in the car or the general who didnt tell the patrol we was coming in a car exactly in that moment? You choose.

acbaylove:

--- Quote from: Sahki on May 02, 2005, 05:15:57 AM ---Now don't you feel bad for joining the coalition and sending spies  :)

You guys got played.
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Actually our 007 were there to rescue our kidnapped journalist, not to spy Iraqi soldiers. ::)
Even French have 007 there to try to rescue their other kidnapped journalist.

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