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another Christian reads the Quran
rafsta:
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--- Quote from: Captain on May 10, 2005, 09:10:23 AM ---
This leads to another interesting point. For while there are those who may find descriptions of hell in the Bible difficult, the descriptions of those who are "thrown face first" into the fire in the Quran are far worse. Christians and Jews are especially singled out in connection with this.
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The Noble Qu'ran instructs Muslims that closest to them are the Christians! The Qu'ran encourages Muslims to establish peaceful relationships with non-Muslims who do not act in aggression to Muslims. In the cases where Allah is condemning Christians or Jews he is condemning specifically the Christians and Jews who fight and commit transgressions against the Muslims. In Islam, Christianity and Judaism are legitimate religions, and Allah will not let their deeds go unaccounted.
Qu'ran: 3:19, 85) This is God's final message to humanity. All of God's prophets have come to this world, and all the scriptures have been delivered. The time has come to purify and consolidate all the messages delivered by God's prophets into one message, and to proclaim that henceforth, there is only one religion acceptable to God - "Submission"
(5:69, 2:62) Surely, those who believe who are Jewish, the Christians and the converts,
(1) believes in God
(2) and believes in the hereafter
(3) leads a righteous life
will recieve their recompense and reward and they have nothing to fear.
Ofcourse, there is no denying, Islam does allow Muslims permission to make Jihad under certain conditions....
"You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." (8:60-61)
Self-defense involves oppression, aggression and tyranny; Islam tolerates the use of war in these cases.
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so the religion supports 911...
--- Quote ---"Permission (to fight) is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and GOD is certainly able to support them. They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is GOD." If it were not for GOD's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and masjids - where the name of GOD is commemorated frequently - would have been destroyed. Absolutely, GOD supports those who support Him. GOD is Powerful, Almighty."(22:39-40).
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--- Quote from: Captain on May 10, 2005, 09:10:23 AM ---
The story of Joseph is very altered. In the Quran he is not thrown into jail after being falsely accused of attempted rape as the Bible relates. The Quran has him immediately vindicated and all the women of the court apologise to him. Again Mohammed did not want a story in which a man appears denigrated or without victory at any time. The parallel theme of women being innately untrustworthy and irresponsible runs throughout the book. Women are both idolised as pillars of virtue on the one hand, and viewed as troublemakers who must not be trusted on the other.
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Joseph (Yusuf) does go to prison! All the Prophets faced numerous trials!
12:33
Yusuf said: "O My Lord! The prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me".
12:35
Then it occurred to the men
After they had seen the Signs,
(That it was best)
To imprison him for a time
12:36
Now with him there came into the prison two young men."
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--- Quote ---this doesnt change the point that then the women of the jury then gave him a full apology, to further downplay women...
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--- Quote from: Captain on May 10, 2005, 09:10:23 AM ---
the Qu'ran specifies he may have up to four wives. Or as a colleague said to me, "so it was O.K. for men to be lustful then".
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You know what's funny is that Christian preacher Jerry Fallwell made the same argument in a debate with Ahmed Deedat. Then a month later he was arrested in a hotel room with about a dozen hookers! Islam is logical and practical and the life of a Muslim is one that can be lived without hypocrisy. A few Muslims do marry more than one woman, and it is accepted by their wives, and this is done in the open, not in secret. Yet a FEW MILLION CHRISTIANS COMMIT ADULTRY AND FORNICATION! BUT ALLAH IS WATCHFUL!
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Who gives a shit about Jerry Fallwell ? it was his choice to do it.... the point which you once again missed is that Islam supports adultery, because someone is a christian and commits adultery doesnt mean that the religion supports it, its up to the indivivual not to obey the law of God...
Seeing as i completely just went over your head i'll explain it in laymans terms... Mohammed had more than 4 wives, he was a sinner that was considered a prophet ? and not only that he said its ok to have 4 wives... so adultery is acceptable in islam, it was one of the 10 commandments, "thy shall not covet thy wife"...
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Captain on May 11, 2005, 01:28:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: King Techniec on May 10, 2005, 08:57:14 PM ---This Captain character is a retard......
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thanks buddy i try...
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no u dont. u actually think you have a point, when in actuality u dont. This is what classifies you as a retard
rafsta:
--- Quote from: King Techniec on May 11, 2005, 01:57:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Captain on May 11, 2005, 01:28:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: King Techniec on May 10, 2005, 08:57:14 PM ---This Captain character is a retard......
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thanks buddy i try...
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no u dont. u actually think you have a point, when in actuality u dont. This is what classifies you as a retard
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i'll keep that in mind.
Don Jacob:
the one point i felt was the one about how the quran uses the same stories from the bible/tora then changes them
rafsta:
if it then goes to say its impossible to accomodate 4 wives why does it state it in the first place ?
it just allows for mis-interpretation and abuse.
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