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another Christian reads the Quran
rafsta:
--- Quote from: Crown on May 19, 2005, 02:23:04 AM ---Abraham is one of the most important prophets in the bible OT/NT and the Quran
In Genesis Chapt 16:3 Sarah abrahams wifey gives her Egyptain maidservent to Abraham to be his 2nd wifey.
The Reason why Abraham is so important in the bible and Quran is that Prophets, according to the bible and Quran, can only come through Abrahams family line.Genesis chapters 15-17
The hebrew Nation are issacs children from Abrahams union with sarah.
The arab Nation are ishmeals children from Abrahams union with Hagar.
Jesus is a descendant of issac which gives him prophet or messiah status by birthright.
although a covenant was made with the jews, if they failed to follow through with their end of the bargan, God still has to honor his promise to abraham by having a covanant with his descendants, which would be the Arabs by default. and prophet muhammad is a descendant of ishmeal. you dont have to believe me but you would be better of to study it for yourself instead of making blanket statements about religions. I my self am not of any religious faith in particular but I dont see one as better than the other because all prophets are different members of abrahams family anyways, and God promised abraham many nations and tribes through his name (Jew,Christian,Islam) so just follow the one that u believe the best way u can.
solomon had 700 wives
genesis 5:19 lemech 2 wives
genesis 29 Jacob has 2 sisters for wifeys, racheal and leah
there are more examples but not important.
polygamy is being married to more than one partner.
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interestin stuff, yeh i realise i need to study it for myself.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Crown on May 19, 2005, 02:23:04 AM ---
Jesus is a descendant of issac which gives him prophet or messiah status by birthright.
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This one always gets me. Jesus was not a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, or David; Joseph was. The New Testament clearly states that Joseph was not the father of Jesus, merely the husband of Mary, but "they had no union until after she gave birth to a son. No one really ever explained Mary's family tree, but it really doesn't matter, because Jesus was born of the holy spirit as far as Christian's are concerned. And his stance on monogamy is quite clear; one woman and one man come together and become one being, unseparable by man. Divorce is a bit of a tricky one; in Mark it states that once you take the vows you stick to them no matter what and divorce is not acceptable by any means, however in Matthew it states that you can divorce if your spouse cheats on you. Some believe that this was added in Matthew years later by the church, and was never written by Matthew himself, while others believe that Matthew put it together himself based on various teachings of Jesus. Very few believe that Jesus himself said it, but who knows? The bottom line is don't cheat on your spouse. As for the whole polygamy thing; I try and use logic and figure that if Man A and Woman B become one being then that same Man A cannot become one being with another woman since he is already one being with another woman. If you disagree then so be it.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: The Imam on May 10, 2005, 04:23:05 PM ---Islam is logical and practical and the life of a Muslim is one that can be lived without hypocrisy.
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once again, there's nothing Logical about religions
and why aren't you trying to have that kind of life without hypocrisy you hypocritical crazy ass cracker?
ALLAH IS WATCHING YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUOUUUOUUOOUOUOOUOUOUOOUUUUU!
Crown:
the very 1st chapter and very 1st verse of the new testament says "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."
If Jesus was not a descendant of Abraham then that means that GOD never fufilled His promise to Abraham through Isreal, and according to the new testament the Jews fell out of favor with GOD, so that would mean that the Muslims are right and God is using Ishmael's descendants to propragate His will.
This is not my view, but according to ur post this is what it would mean, Holy Spirit or no Holy Spirit.
God does not lie and did not lie to abraham.
Matthew 19: 5 is NOT A COMMANDMENT against multiple wives. It is a commandment against divorce, if you take it out of context u could reason that it means one wife, but I doubt that thats what Jesus was saying at that time. So it still does not bar the possibility of Muhammads Prophethood.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Crown on May 20, 2005, 11:34:48 AM ---the very 1st chapter and very 1st verse of the new testament says "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."
If Jesus was not a descendant of Abraham then that means that GOD never fufilled His promise to Abraham through Isreal, and according to the new testament the Jews fell out of favor with GOD, so that would mean that the Muslims are right and God is using Ishmael's descendants to propragate His will.
This is not my view, but according to ur post this is what it would mean, Holy Spirit or no Holy Spirit.
God does not lie and did not lie to abraham.
Matthew 19: 5 is NOT A COMMANDMENT against multiple wives. It is a commandment against divorce, if you take it out of context u could reason that it means one wife, but I doubt that thats what Jesus was saying at that time. So it still does not bar the possibility of Muhammads Prophethood.
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God may not lie, but Moses and other prophets may have lied, gotten it wrong, or added there own views. Jesus himself said Moses would allow certain things because he felt the people weren't ready for some truths. How can Jesus be the son of God and the Son of Joseph? You don't have to answer that, I'll let Jesus answer it for you;
(From Matthew 22)
41)While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42)"What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?"
"The son of David," they replied.
43)He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says,
44)" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet."
45)If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"
46)No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.
Since there wasn't a Pharisee in that land that could properly refute Jesus's claims, I doubt you can.
As for my thoughts on polygamy; like I said before I'm just ttrying to use logic to interpret that Jesus didn't consider it possible. If when you marry you and your wife become one being, then how can you become another being with another woman. How can one man be two beings? I just don't get it. This doesn't prove that Jesus was against it. It's just my perspective. The only real problem I have with polygamy is the sexism. Why is it that in some muslim and mormon areas it is okay for a man to have multiple wives, but unheard of for a woman to have multiple husbands?
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