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Remember the Marine who shot the injured Iraqi?
Ant:
A few months ago there was a story on the news about a Marine who shot an unarmed injured Iraqi for no apparent reason. Unfortunately for that marine a journalist was there during the shooting and reported what actually happened. Of course the right-wing media, and many of our fanatical pals here at dubcc immediately disagreed with the assessment of the journalist. I heard all sorts of arguments about how the journalist was the one who was wrong on this issue, not the Marine. I heard that the journalist should have kept his mouth shut and not try to embarass the American troops. I heard we should have sympathy for our soldiers who some times panic in the heat of the battle I heard about how difficult it is to be a soldier and how the marine probably shot this man out of fear and concern for his own safety.
Well, now we know the truth. The US marine shot and killled this man for the fun of it. All the marines present knew this man was no threat to them. The marine who shot him joked about killing him, and walked in with a desire to kill the injured. How do we know this is the case? Because the video is of it all is now available for all to see. But what is unfortunate about all this, is how determined the American right is to be ignorant of the truth. At all times they are determined to believe falsehoods, and dismiss reality when it challenges their world view. When evidence challenges their opinions it is dismissed, yet when information confirms their bigotted opinions it is wholeheartedly accepted with no concerns for flaws or inaccuracies. Only when the information is indisputable do they finally only partially accept reality. And in such a case, people like woodrow will still run from the truth and selectively pay attention to only those facts which make him feel better about his bigotry.
Either way... just a quick reminder to those of you who argued on the wrong side of this argument. Click the link to see what really happened.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4646406
Woodrow:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050505/ap_on_re_mi_ea/marine_iraq_shooting
No Court-Martial in Iraq Mosque Shooting
SAN DIEGO - A Marine corporal who was videotaped shooting an apparently injured and unarmed Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque last year will not face a court-martial, the Marine Corps announced Wednesday.
A review of the evidence showed the Marine's actions were "consistent with the established rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict," Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, commanding general of the 1st Marine Division, said in a statement.
The corporal was not identified in the two-page statement issued by Camp Pendleton, the headquarters of the expeditionary force north of San Diego.
In sworn statements, the corporal said he shot three insurgents in self-defense in the mosque Nov. 13, believing they posed a threat to him and his fellow Marines, the statement said. Autopsy results showed that all three died of multiple wounds from gunshots fired from the corporal's M-16.
One of the shootings was recorded by Kevin Sites, an NBC cameraman embedded with the Marines, and the dramatic footage prompted outrage among Iraqis and an immediate investigation by the Marine Corps.
In the video, as the cameraman moved into the mosque, a Marine in the background could be heard shouting obscenities and yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead. The Marine then raised his rifle toward an Iraqi lying on the floor of the mosque and shot him.
The incident played out as the division's 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque. While Marines had secured the mosque complex on the previous day, intelligence reports indicated that the mosque had since been reoccupied by insurgents.
The Camp Pendleton statement said the corporal "could have reasonably believed that the AIF (anti-Iraq forces) shown in the videotape posed a hostile threat justifying his use of deadly force."
Before the opening of the Nov. 8 assault on rebel-held Fallujah, Marine commanders told infantrymen that the rules of engagement allowed the use of deadly force against men of military age deemed holding hostile intent, even if the enemy didn't fire on the Marines first.
According to the Marine Corps, an enhanced videotape of the shooting supports the corporal's claim that the wounded Iraqi was concealing his left arm behind his head. Although the Marines said it was unclear from the video whether the Iraqi made any overtly threatening gestures, enemy forces commonly feigned death.
The investigation consisted of 22 interviews with Marines, autopsy reports, ballistic tests and the videotape of the shooting. The Marine was brought back from Iraq following the shooting. He remains at Camp Pendleton, said Lt. Col. T.V. Johnson, a Marine spokesman.
A fourth Iraqi also was shot and killed in the mosque complex, but the bullets could not be traced to the corporal's weapon, according to the statement. The investigation is ongoing into the death of the fourth insurgent, Johnson said.
rafsta:
the man was un-armed, he was on the ground, he didnt have to kill him.
rafsta:
the journalist was paid off, or forced to talk shit.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Captain on May 10, 2005, 02:28:42 PM ---the man was un-armed, he was on the ground, he didnt have to kill him.
--- End quote ---
You really don't know what you're talking about.
The AP article that I posted talks about how the terrorists FAKED injury and then attacked marines. I remember reading articles talking about how these terrorists would hold up a white flag, then open fire on the marines. It's a simple case of mercy vs. self preservation... The marines had prior history to back up their actions.
Here's a transcription from Iraqi TV that explains how a terrorist killed an Iraqi police office, cut his insides out, placed TNT inside of his body cavity, and used his body for a bomb. If they are willing to do this to their own police force, why should they have a problem doing this to people they view as "occupiers"?
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=650
--- Quote ---'Adnan Elias: Yes, sir. He opened him up, took stuff out, and put TNT and explosives inside. Then he sewed up his stomach with thick thread.
Interviewer: With thread?
'Adnan Elias: Yes. And a needle. He put the buttons back in place...
Interviewer: He buttoned him up.
'Adnan Elias: Yes, he buttoned him up. We were told to take him in the car near the square in Tel A'far. We threw him there and placed his head back on his shoulders.
Interviewer: My God!
'Adnan Elias: 15 to 30 minutes later they told his family to come and get their son. His father came with two policemen. They picked up the body and made no more than two steps - we were standing far away - Ahmad Sinjar pressed the button.
Interviewer: By remote control.
'Adnan Elias: The body exploded on them, and they died.
Interviewer: So his father and the two policemen died.
'Adnan Elias: Yes sir, and we took off.
--- End quote ---
Here's the section of the Geneva Conventions that you should be interested in.
--- Quote ---Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
Art 37. Prohibition of Perfidy
1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary or resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy.
The following acts are examples of perfidy:
(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;
(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;
(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and
(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.
--- End quote ---
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