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U.S. military finds abuse of Koran
Shallow:
--- Quote from: King Techniec on June 05, 2005, 08:34:01 AM ---My bad shallow, i thought u were trying to get at me., but anyways.....
i said that the comparison is not valid because the United States should be held to a higher standard than say the fuckin Taliban, or the Ottoman empire of 300 years ago.
I mean uneducated backwards ignorant people regardless of faith will always be intolerant of others\, i accept this fully. (ex. Taliban, Trauma etc etc)
However, the United States is not a christain nation. It is secular. It is supposedly democratic and respectful of human rights. It is the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the world. The fact that the US has to disrespect the Quran in order to further humiliate 400 dirt poor Pakis, Arabs and Afghans says alot about how the US feels about Islam. It proves they're out to take out our faith, and thus, I hope 70 more 9/11s happen.
I mean, it BOGGLES MY MIND, that this fuckin govt can start damn near every conflict in the world, then try to solve them and in the process drag an already humiliated people through the mud again. It reveals their intentions.
300 years ago, conflict between Muslims and Christains were just that, conflicts between muslims and christains. Intolerance in todays muslim world is a result of lack of education.
what excuse does the americans have?
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US is secular? Someone should tell Bush and all the dodos that voted for him that, because I don't think they know. The US is still about 80% Christain, and I'll bet the military is more than 80%. To a lot of these yokels that signed up to fight, it is Christians vs Muslims, and if you don't think a lot of these guys suffer from lack of education about the world then you need to think again. Ask the average southerener military soldier to name 3 Canadian cities,or what the major religions in Canada are and they'll have no clue. Canada is just North. I can only imagine what they'd say if you asked them about the Islamic world.
Now if the US Government was giving orders to burn Qurans then I'd get where you're coming fom, but it's more a case of ignorant kids startng shit, which happens everywhere. That 70 more 9/11s comment is a little harsh. I don't wish those kind of attacks on any nation at any time. I know that shit like that goes down in warzone coutries all the time, but that doesn't make it right.
Ant:
Anyone seen the recent kingdom of heaven movie? gives a fictionalized account of how the jews lost jerusalem, but it does a good job of showing the foolishness of both sides of the islam vs. christianity dispute...
The whole concept that the battle between the US and terrorism is a fight between good and evil is foolishness. People claim I have double standards often because I expect more out of my own country than I do from a 3rd world nation. Maybe thats the case, but I don't think its unreasonable to expect a lot from a country that is considered by many to be the best and most poweful in the world. If people stepped back a bit, and let go of their egos instead of always trying to arrogantly assert their own worldview is perfect we could have prosecuted this whole thing a lot more intelligently, but instead we behaved with only slightly more intelligence than a 3rd world country.
We want to be a beacon of democracy, but we have the perhaps the most childish political discourse of any developed country. Instead of letting go of ego and working to make things better this country argues politics like a 15 yr old throwing a fit while defending his favorite baseball team against a critic. And the reality of all this becomes more clear to a willing observer every time an issue like this gains national attention and you watch both sides argue like bigotted fools and continue to refuse to admit error even when it becomes clear beyond a doubt that their opinions were mistaken.
Low Key:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 05, 2005, 08:51:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: King Techniec on June 05, 2005, 08:34:01 AM ---My bad shallow, i thought u were trying to get at me., but anyways.....
i said that the comparison is not valid because the United States should be held to a higher standard than say the fuckin Taliban, or the Ottoman empire of 300 years ago.
I mean uneducated backwards ignorant people regardless of faith will always be intolerant of others\, i accept this fully. (ex. Taliban, Trauma etc etc)
However, the United States is not a christain nation. It is secular. It is supposedly democratic and respectful of human rights. It is the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the world. The fact that the US has to disrespect the Quran in order to further humiliate 400 dirt poor Pakis, Arabs and Afghans says alot about how the US feels about Islam. It proves they're out to take out our faith, and thus, I hope 70 more 9/11s happen.
I mean, it BOGGLES MY MIND, that this fuckin govt can start damn near every conflict in the world, then try to solve them and in the process drag an already humiliated people through the mud again. It reveals their intentions.
300 years ago, conflict between Muslims and Christains were just that, conflicts between muslims and christains. Intolerance in todays muslim world is a result of lack of education.
what excuse does the americans have?
--- End quote ---
US is secular? Someone should tell Bush and all the dodos that voted for him that, because I don't think they know. The US is still about 80% Christain, and I'll bet the military is more than 80%. To a lot of these yokels that signed up to fight, it is Christians vs Muslims, and if you don't think a lot of these guys suffer from lack of education about the world then you need to think again. Ask the average southerener military soldier to name 3 Canadian cities,or what the major religions in Canada are and they'll have no clue. Canada is just North. I can only imagine what they'd say if you asked them about the Islamic world.
Now if the US Government was giving orders to burn Qurans then I'd get where you're coming fom, but it's more a case of ignorant kids startng shit, which happens everywhere. That 70 more 9/11s comment is a little harsh. I don't wish those kind of attacks on any nation at any time. I know that shit like that goes down in warzone coutries all the time, but that doesn't make it right.
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You are very correct Shallow. I had a roommate who is in the reserves and he is so christian it's scary. And he's pretty racist too. I can't say that I'm not racist just a little bit (towards everyone), but I'd rather see the world just living than being wartorn. I am a laid back type of guy and racism just brings drama.
And hoping 70 more 9/11s happen is just ignorant. I don't think American soldiers were in Iraq like they are now until 9/11 actually happened, so anything the soldiers want to do to the Quran (aside from burning, and certain types of desecration), I believe they should be able to do. Tearing pages out of it might be going a little far, but I'm not over there getting shot at because some uneducated dumb ass doesn't want the people of the western world in their town. To me, any religion is cultish and petty. I usually don't express that because others are different and I respect that. And let me put it this way to you...okay, so you have gone in and taken over, but you find the town is poor, they have nothing to bargain with and you want some answers, what do you do? You utilize what the people over there cherish the most. That is how interrogation works and the Quran in the bargaining chip. You don't see the American government going on TV beheading people, do you? They would be in such deep shit with the rest of the world, but a month after the insurgents do it twice, no one remembers. That is how the insurgents interrogate.
The faster America can get in there and rebuild, the faster they will leave, but I guess that is just too simple for even uneducated people in a third world country to understand.
Real American:
--- Quote from: King Techniec on June 05, 2005, 08:34:01 AM --- It proves they're out to take out our faith, and thus, I hope 70 more 9/11s happen.
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Tech wants thousands more innocent Americans to die because some US soldier stepped on the Koran (a soldier who was relieved of his duties after the incident).
Don't you just love the reasoning of Muslims....
Real American:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 05, 2005, 08:51:23 AM --- To a lot of these yokels that signed up to fight, it is Christians vs Muslims, and if you don't think a lot of these guys suffer from lack of education about the world then you need to think again. Ask the average southerener military soldier to name 3 Canadian cities,or what the major religions in Canada are and they'll have no clue. Canada is just North. I can only imagine what they'd say if you asked them about the Islamic world.
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Who the hell are you calling a yokel? I want to know just exactly how many US military members and southerners you know to make these statements.
So where do you get your information from, idiot?
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