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What made Dick Durbin apoligise?

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Ant:
You really struggle with logic.  I didn't think it was necessary to give an indepth explanation about why your wrong.  I figured the facts would speak for themselves.  Instead you got confused, or just want to pretend I ducked the argument.  So let me explain in simple bullet points.

1.  I said it was ridiculous to compare gitmo to Nazi concentration camps from the start, so you don't score any points against me by pointing that out as if I was on the opposite side of the argument.

2.  The existence of similiarities doesn't make two things equal.  There are similiarities between Gitmo, Abu Graib, and Concentration Camps.  There are even similiarities between concentration camps and U.S. prisons.  It doesn't mean any of these things are equal.  Your argument is essentially, because similiarties exist between bootcamp and Gitmo the experiences of Gitmo detainees are the same as NAVY Seals in bootcamps.  That argument proves nothing.  You don't win by pointing out the existence of similiarties between bootcamp and gitmo, any more than someone on the opposite sides wins by pointing out the existence of similiarities between Gitmo and Nazi Concentration camps.

3.  I didn't need to offer a lengthy counter argument, because the story I posted refuted your nonsense.  I figured you could put 2 + 2 together and realize that if the U.S. govt. admits to the existence of torture at gitmo then the experience of Gitmo detainees is not "pretty much the same as" the experience of NAVY Seals in bootcamp.  It may be similiar in some regards, but it is also similiar in some regards to the experience of individuals in concentration camps.

4.  Really you're arguing a matter of opinion based on imperfect information.  You don't know what goes on in Gitmo, you don't know what goes on in NAVY Seal Bootcamp, yet based on the existence of similiarities between the two you seem to think the experiences of people in each closely appoximate each other.  Torture and training are not similiar experiences. 

Thirteen:
well accordingto the bybee memo, torture can consist of mental anguish.... and seeing as how i've been through boot camp, and just in my unti 3 people tried to commit suicide.... 1 by hanging and two by razors that is consistant with mental torture, and the fact that that marine died from abuse...which gitmo doesn't have any deaths... makes it easy for my comparison

i have first hand experience of one case (boot camp), and the same information about the other case that you have (gitmo)

so i'm one step ahead of you in talking about this subject....have a nice day

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