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Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 05, 2005, 09:44:46 AM ---What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.
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man this just to further prove that everyone hates muslims
Shallow:
--- Quote from: . on July 05, 2005, 10:32:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 05, 2005, 09:44:46 AM ---What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.
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man this just to further prove that everyone hates muslims
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Huh?
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 05, 2005, 12:07:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: . on July 05, 2005, 10:32:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 05, 2005, 09:44:46 AM ---What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.
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man this just to further prove that everyone hates muslims
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the confused, brainwashed, white cracker of a muslim said that Ali was hated because he turned muslim... i called him an idiot and you just further backed me up
Huh?
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rafsta:
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 05, 2005, 08:20:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Allah's slave: Ibrahim Abdullah on July 05, 2005, 03:44:27 AM --- the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali. Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.
Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief. Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
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I hate Ali, but it has nothing to do with his conversion, or the man himself really. I hate the idea that a guy so protected thouhghout his career because he could draw big money gets so much more acclaim than guys like Joe Lewis, or Marciano. True champions who didn't have to obiously cheat to win. Ali would use the head lock so many times in a match you'd think he was a wrestle. He wore a stomach gaurd that covered almost everything up to his ribs and wasn't asked to lower it once. And let's not forget how he dodged Foreman for the rematch after a probable fixed fight. Saying Ali is the best boxer of all time is like saying Bruce Lee is the best fighter of all time. You might fool the loons, and you may not get to many people to say it on TV, but everyone that really knows what they're talking about knows better. Ali was a charasmatic guy who made a lot of money, and as a promoter there is no one I'd rather have as champ, but as a realist I know better. Just watch the fights and see all the liberties he gets away with and how his opponents always fight worse on the rematch after they had beaten him. When he beat Frasier because Frasier could see and the fight had to stop, Ali couldn't walk and the fight would have ended anyway whether Frasier coulld or couldn't see properly. When he fought the rematch with Spinks you'll notice that Leon isn't punching back, while just a few months earlier he was hitting Ali with everything and beat him. It's a shame Ali had to pay the promoters back at the end of his career. "We do you a favour, you do us a favour". The promoters spent a lot of time to make him seem better than he was so Ali had to sacrifice his health and get pummeled to make Larry Holmes seem better than he was. It's just a shame Holmes had no charisma on the microphone.
P.S. I wonder if he would have changed his name if he new the large part Muslims had in enslaving black people over the years.
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i disagree with everything you said about ali, he was the greatest, he went against all odds and fucked up george foreman, no-one believed ali would win but ali, sure it wasnt the best fight, but ali fucked him up in the end, and put georges career on hold for 2 years... same as the other dude, the first match he lost by points, and then he won the second match knockout, i saw the match and i know it wasnt fixed, also ali faught him after he retired, he wasnt even in his prime....
and i also believe bruce lee is the best known fighter in the world (maybe there is a monk somewhere in a cave ready to tear shit up, i wont out rule that)...
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Captain on July 05, 2005, 05:30:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 05, 2005, 08:20:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Allah's slave: Ibrahim Abdullah on July 05, 2005, 03:44:27 AM --- the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali. Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.
Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief. Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
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I hate Ali, but it has nothing to do with his conversion, or the man himself really. I hate the idea that a guy so protected thouhghout his career because he could draw big money gets so much more acclaim than guys like Joe Lewis, or Marciano. True champions who didn't have to obiously cheat to win. Ali would use the head lock so many times in a match you'd think he was a wrestle. He wore a stomach gaurd that covered almost everything up to his ribs and wasn't asked to lower it once. And let's not forget how he dodged Foreman for the rematch after a probable fixed fight. Saying Ali is the best boxer of all time is like saying Bruce Lee is the best fighter of all time. You might fool the loons, and you may not get to many people to say it on TV, but everyone that really knows what they're talking about knows better. Ali was a charasmatic guy who made a lot of money, and as a promoter there is no one I'd rather have as champ, but as a realist I know better. Just watch the fights and see all the liberties he gets away with and how his opponents always fight worse on the rematch after they had beaten him. When he beat Frasier because Frasier could see and the fight had to stop, Ali couldn't walk and the fight would have ended anyway whether Frasier coulld or couldn't see properly. When he fought the rematch with Spinks you'll notice that Leon isn't punching back, while just a few months earlier he was hitting Ali with everything and beat him. It's a shame Ali had to pay the promoters back at the end of his career. "We do you a favour, you do us a favour". The promoters spent a lot of time to make him seem better than he was so Ali had to sacrifice his health and get pummeled to make Larry Holmes seem better than he was. It's just a shame Holmes had no charisma on the microphone.
P.S. I wonder if he would have changed his name if he new the large part Muslims had in enslaving black people over the years.
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i disagree with everything you said about ali, he was the greatest, he went against all odds and fucked up george foreman, no-one believed ali would win but ali, sure it wasnt the best fight, but ali fucked him up in the end, and put georges career on hold for 2 years... same as the other dude, the first match he lost by points, and then he won the second match knockout, i saw the match and i know it wasnt fixed, also ali faught him after he retired, he wasnt even in his prime....
and i also believe bruce lee is the best known fighter in the world (maybe there is a monk somewhere in a cave ready to tear shit up, i wont out rule that)...
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Of course you think all that because you are a victim of propaganda. What else do you believe? That there really are WMDs in Iraq? Or maybe that there is no racism present in the US? How about the world being hateful towards the US only because they are jealoys of freedom?
And you get your facts wrong. 1) Ali never KOed Spinks. 2) Foreman was only gone about a year, and had only fought about once a year before that anyway (since winning the title). There was no rematch for a reason. 3) The average top level MMA heavyweight would fuck up Lee. Fedor or CroCop would destroy him. Bruce was like 140 lbs and has no wrestling skills or legal submission skills. He's a one dimensional fighter who's best move was striking you in the balls.
Also Ali has 4 lossseds I believe, Marciano has 0 losses. How is Ali better all time?
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