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Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: . on July 04, 2005, 10:22:23 PM ---
yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...
it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer
you're a fucking idiot
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Look man, I'm white, I've grown up around honkies, I know their mentality, the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali. Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.
Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief. Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Allah's slave: Ibrahim Abdullah on July 05, 2005, 03:44:27 AM --- the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali. Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.
Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief. Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
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I hate Ali, but it has nothing to do with his conversion, or the man himself really. I hate the idea that a guy so protected thouhghout his career because he could draw big money gets so much more acclaim than guys like Joe Lewis, or Marciano. True champions who didn't have to obiously cheat to win. Ali would use the head lock so many times in a match you'd think he was a wrestle. He wore a stomach gaurd that covered almost everything up to his ribs and wasn't asked to lower it once. And let's not forget how he dodged Foreman for the rematch after a probable fixed fight. Saying Ali is the best boxer of all time is like saying Bruce Lee is the best fighter of all time. You might fool the loons, and you may not get to many people to say it on TV, but everyone that really knows what they're talking about knows better. Ali was a charasmatic guy who made a lot of money, and as a promoter there is no one I'd rather have as champ, but as a realist I know better. Just watch the fights and see all the liberties he gets away with and how his opponents always fight worse on the rematch after they had beaten him. When he beat Frasier because Frasier could see and the fight had to stop, Ali couldn't walk and the fight would have ended anyway whether Frasier coulld or couldn't see properly. When he fought the rematch with Spinks you'll notice that Leon isn't punching back, while just a few months earlier he was hitting Ali with everything and beat him. It's a shame Ali had to pay the promoters back at the end of his career. "We do you a favour, you do us a favour". The promoters spent a lot of time to make him seem better than he was so Ali had to sacrifice his health and get pummeled to make Larry Holmes seem better than he was. It's just a shame Holmes had no charisma on the microphone.
P.S. I wonder if he would have changed his name if he new the large part Muslims had in enslaving black people over the years.
TeeRaySix9Teen:
--- Quote from: Allah's slave: Ibrahim Abdullah on July 05, 2005, 03:44:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: . on July 04, 2005, 10:22:23 PM ---
yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...
it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer
you're a fucking idiot
--- End quote ---
Look man, I'm white, I've grown up around honkies, I know their mentality, the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali. Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.
Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief. Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
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honestly, i think its both man. He could have been a humble black man in the ring, and turned Muslim...they would not have supported him. Or, he could have been a loud mouth cocky Christian black man, they would not have supported him. But to be all three, cocky, black, AND turn Muslim....at that time, hell yeah they hated him. And on top of it, he was good. They hated the fact that he was good. He was everything that White America (at the time) didnt like, and they couldnt do anything about it.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Allah's slave: Ibrahim Abdullah on July 05, 2005, 03:44:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: . on July 04, 2005, 10:22:23 PM ---
yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...
it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer
you're a fucking idiot
--- End quote ---
Look man, I'm white, I've grown up around honkies, I know their mentality, the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali. Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.
Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief. Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
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ok ok you're right, white american in 1965 was totally content with a cocky black guy, but he had to go and become muslim and that really made them flip the fuck out and hate him....
do you read what they fuck you're writing...it totally goes anything history has taught anyone else... he was black in the 1960's.... he was a cocky black in the 1960's, you act like that's not reason enough for america to hate him at the time
you're a fucking idiot... you wonder why your religion is so fucked up, it's retards like you that think everyone is out to oppress them.... do us all a favor and grow some balls. strab some fireworks and gasoline on yourself and try to blow up a walmart.... just please don't make me clown you again
Shallow:
What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.
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