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George Bush: "There ought to be limits to freedom"

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Real American:

--- Quote from: TheGhost on July 09, 2005, 08:37:04 PM ---

First of all, my post was to show Bush's BELIEF... he believes that the freedom of speech should be limited and people shouldn't be allowed to make fun of him. That's un-American.

However, if you want to get into how he's actually limiting freedom, liberty, and justice... the Patriot Act answers that.

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How does Bush want to limit freedom of speech? How does the Patriot Act limit freedom and liberty?

Thirteen:
the patriot act is in effect for the most part and it hasn't had any effect on me. i'm no less free than 8 years ago

and the good thing about our government, one person can believe or say what he wants, but it takes many more to change it. so it's his opinion that freedom of speech goes too far... he'll never have the ability to change it and he's the president

Thirteen:

--- Quote from: TheGhost on July 11, 2005, 02:08:20 PM ---The Patriot Act probably has not had an effect on you, but I know a lot of people on whom it has. Just because it doesn't have an effect on you, doesn't mean that it's right.

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it shouldn't have an effect on the average person, that's the whole thing.... i mean it sucks that, let's say  i can't buy manure and model rocket blasting caps without the FBI. because i live on a farm and have a dumb hobby...

i can easily say taht i don't know of anybody effected by it

Thirteen:

--- Quote from: TheGhost on July 11, 2005, 02:28:07 PM ---If you don't think that it has an effect on people, then you obviously don't know the exact changes the Patriot Act brings, and you also don't keep up with what's happening in this country because it has had a direct effect on many people, especially of Middle Eastern descent.

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i honestly don't know many middle easterns, so i really can't say anything bad about this happening. this is like those kids getting kidnapped in ohio, sure it's messed up but it doesn't effect me so why should i lose sleep about it?

Thirteen:

--- Quote from: TheGhost on July 11, 2005, 02:38:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: . on July 11, 2005, 02:29:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheGhost on July 11, 2005, 02:28:07 PM ---If you don't think that it has an effect on people, then you obviously don't know the exact changes the Patriot Act brings, and you also don't keep up with what's happening in this country because it has had a direct effect on many people, especially of Middle Eastern descent.

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i honestly don't know many middle easterns, so i really can't say anything bad about this happening. this is like those kids getting kidnapped in ohio, sure it's messed up but it doesn't effect me so why should i lose sleep about it?

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LOL when the fuck did I say anything about the Patriot Act affecting you... as far as you're concerned, I wouldn't care if your dad made you eat your mom out and then fucked you up the ass... all I said is that it's affecting people and others can't deny that it does, I didn't say you should have your pussy squirting out blood cuz of it...

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LOLASKMTNGSAIHTA when did i ever say i cared about other people? you said


--- Quote from: TheGhost on July 09, 2005, 08:37:04 PM ---However, if you want to get into how he's actually limiting freedom, liberty, and justice... the Patriot Act answers that.

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and i'm saying that he isn't doing that to me or anyone else i know and i bet i fall in line with 95% of americans

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