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Lakers on an uprise...just missing a few pieces to the puzzle.
TeeRaySix9Teen:
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--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 21, 2005, 04:50:05 AM ---first off...me saying Kobe's career has reached its pinnacle is based on my assessment of Kobe. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Im not saying that ANYone at 27-28 has already reached or passed their prime. Im saying, i dont see Kobe getting BETTER. He hasnt shown the type of attitude that would allow him to. He's a big fuckin baby. It takes a mature, humble man to understand that theyll have to change their game completely at some point to stay at a top level (for a player who relies so much on athletism). Jordan understood that...i dont see Kobe that way. Yeah, Kobe has been a good player. He has been one of the better players in the league during the last 5 years or so, one of the best....as was Larry Johnson for the first half of his career. How many of you guys even know who the fuck he is now? lol. Yeah he has half a career left ahead of him. But we've had people on here comparing him to Jordan...and saying he is on the same level for a career. If those Laker....i mean, Kobe fans can make a judgement like THAT (insane) on only half a career...then i can say that i dont think he'll improve after this point. He will probably have a better year then last year. But he will never be the winner he was with Shaq...unless they bring him some BIG help like i said. The man just isnt a winner. He's a scorer...and thats it.
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Man i'm a die-hard Laker fan but, seriously speaking, i'll never put Kobe on the same planet of Magic, just to give you an example. Magic was "Magic" since his NCAA days. He was the leader of every team he has played in, even when he plays pool or poker or chess, he's the leader. Them Lakers were totally built around the MAN Magic and the PLAYER Magic. He was the reason why them Lakers will be remembered forever as the "Showtime" team. Once i've said that, well.. i will say the same about Jordan. Jordan was insane. Too much for the 27-years old Kobe. But i aint Nostradamus: i dont know if Kobe has reached his full potential yet, i'm curious to see that. I will see that. For sure. I wanna know if he's got the Magic in him, like my avatar says. But i aint judging his career from 1 year. Last year the first half of Kobe's career (the Shaq-era with 3 rings and a half) ended, and a new one (the let's rebuilt a contender team around Kobe) started. It's too early to judge the 2nd one. And it's obvious that the 2nd one will determine if he's got the Magic in him.
--- Quote ---As for your Lebron statement. Im not even a Lebron fan. Im just saying i would take a player like Lebron over Kobe anyday to start my team with. Lebrons biggest problem coming into the league was being TOO unselfish. A problem Kobe has never had i guarentee lol. Lebron's game will improve more then likely from this point on. Kobe's probably wont (as he is half done). NIK was arguing it, so i just put up a quote from the most respected Laker of all time.
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Magic didnt say LeBron is right now better than Kobe, or that he'd rather select LeBron over Kobe to start a franchise. Just to be precise. He said LeBron entered the League being already a "real" NBA player, with an NBA body, with an NBA mentality, with the charisma a champion needs to be respected by the media. He's special, i do agree. But i'd take Kobe over him all day all night, cause i'm a Laker fan, and cause i think Kobe is a better SG who already proved in the first half of his career he's a winner.
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no, Magic didnt say he was better right NOW. But he is also like 8 yrs younger and was a contender for MVP last year. Kobe in his first two years looked like a high school kid playing in the NBA.
TeeRaySix9Teen:
--- Quote from: Black Mask on August 21, 2005, 10:05:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 21, 2005, 02:53:44 AM --- And a lot of these Laker fans tend to get real sensitive and emotional when u diss Kobe lol. Like he's their lover....
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that's b/c you're a moron/hater & give these cliche rips on kobe "he doesn't pass the ball".."kobe is selfish" man,shut the fuck up..he's a 3 time champion & you're drinking that haterrade..stop acting like a bitch..& kobe & jordan have won 3 straight championships..so i think is cool to mention him with jordan
And it's just like a kobe hater to judge him on what happend Last season..that's a bitch move...
It's hard to make ....chucky atkins,chris migm & all those other losers better...every team needs talent to win...some thing the lakers don't have do to the salary cap & we never sign anny young talent b/c of shaqs salary..so we just got to wait until the lakers have some money to spend to get talented players
Right now we could only depend on a coach coaching the lakers the right way (phil jax)...& players improving...& hopefully lamar will play better now that he's moving back to SF & some help from phil
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you know how long ive been on here saying the same things about Kobe? Im not some newbie on here just going with the flow. Ive been saying these same things about Kobe for years and NIK or Jake could tell u that. Im not a "kobe hater". I actually like his game. Its his attitude that will hold him back from EVER being at a Jordan/Magic or any other level like that. You guys can be really fuckin retarded sometimes. Just like that ComptonCyco guy with his Eiht shit. I dont say Kobe is a bad player. I dont even pretend that he isnt one of the top players in the league. But you dickriders cant admit ANYthing that is wrong with him. Like he's perfect lol. Cmon, get off his nuts. At least NIK has at times critisized the Lakers for shit...not often, but he has done it. It would help your dickriding image if youd be honest about this shit too...
Juronimo:
--- Quote from: ACB on August 21, 2005, 05:33:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 21, 2005, 04:50:05 AM ---first off...me saying Kobe's career has reached its pinnacle is based on my assessment of Kobe. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Im not saying that ANYone at 27-28 has already reached or passed their prime. Im saying, i dont see Kobe getting BETTER. He hasnt shown the type of attitude that would allow him to. He's a big fuckin baby. It takes a mature, humble man to understand that theyll have to change their game completely at some point to stay at a top level (for a player who relies so much on athletism). Jordan understood that...i dont see Kobe that way. Yeah, Kobe has been a good player. He has been one of the better players in the league during the last 5 years or so, one of the best....as was Larry Johnson for the first half of his career. How many of you guys even know who the fuck he is now? lol. Yeah he has half a career left ahead of him. But we've had people on here comparing him to Jordan...and saying he is on the same level for a career. If those Laker....i mean, Kobe fans can make a judgement like THAT (insane) on only half a career...then i can say that i dont think he'll improve after this point. He will probably have a better year then last year. But he will never be the winner he was with Shaq...unless they bring him some BIG help like i said. The man just isnt a winner. He's a scorer...and thats it.
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Man i'm a die-hard Laker fan but, seriously speaking, i'll never put Kobe on the same planet of Magic, just to give you an example. Magic was "Magic" since his NCAA days. He was the leader of every team he has played in, even when he plays pool or poker or chess, he's the leader. Them Lakers were totally built around the MAN Magic and the PLAYER Magic. He was the reason why them Lakers will be remembered forever as the "Showtime" team. Once i've said that, well.. i will say the same about Jordan. Jordan was insane. Too much for the 27-years old Kobe. But i aint Nostradamus: i dont know if Kobe has reached his full potential yet, i'm curious to see that. I will see that. For sure. I wanna know if he's got the Magic in him, like my avatar says. But i aint judging his career from 1 year. Last year the first half of Kobe's career (the Shaq-era with 3 rings and a half) ended, and a new one (the let's rebuilt a contender team around Kobe) started. It's too early to judge the 2nd one. And it's obvious that the 2nd one will determine if he's got the Magic in him.
--- Quote ---As for your Lebron statement. Im not even a Lebron fan. Im just saying i would take a player like Lebron over Kobe anyday to start my team with. Lebrons biggest problem coming into the league was being TOO unselfish. A problem Kobe has never had i guarentee lol. Lebron's game will improve more then likely from this point on. Kobe's probably wont (as he is half done). NIK was arguing it, so i just put up a quote from the most respected Laker of all time.
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Magic didnt say LeBron is right now better than Kobe, or that he'd rather select LeBron over Kobe to start a franchise. Just to be precise. He said LeBron entered the League being already a "real" NBA player, with an NBA body, with an NBA mentality, with the charisma a champion needs to be respected by the media. He's special, i do agree. But i'd take Kobe over him all day all night, cause i'm a Laker fan, and cause i think Kobe is a better SG who already proved in the first half of his career he's a winner.
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I'm a die hard Laker fan as well and I agree with ACB's post 100%.
Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 21, 2005, 09:32:15 PM ---[ Its his attitude that will hold him back from EVER being at a Jordan/Magic or any other level like that.
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kobe sacrifice his game for the better of the team when we were wining championships..wich is why he's a 3 time champion...
He passed the ball Last season like he always does & avg a career high in assist...he should of avg more but his teammates suck ass...
All this cliche rips on kobe are so fucking retarded....kobe wants to be the best ever..& he's not going to allowed his "attitude" to stop that
you people are fucking retarded
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 21, 2005, 02:51:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on August 20, 2005, 07:32:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 18, 2005, 03:25:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on August 16, 2005, 10:18:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 16, 2005, 04:20:21 AM --- But i would say this, if i were to to START a team right at this moment...id take Lebron over Kobe.
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30 GM's and I disagree with you... 8)
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at least one half of your statement is correct ;D
honestly tho, Kobe's best years have past him already. he's not the intelligent player that Jordan was. I dont see Kobe being able to evolve his game in the late years of his career when his athletisism disappears. Im not saying its gone now, but obviously Lebron's game is still in its early stages where he's going to improve. Kobe has already reached his potential. Its all down hill from here buddy :P
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Half of my statement? It's a fact...They had a poll in the beginning of last season. They asked all the GMs which player in the NBA they'd choose to build their team around. All 30 picked Kobeas. You're stupid for saying Kobe is going downhill from here...Jordan was just beginning at Kobe's age. Kobe is still young, there is no way he's reached his full potential...Unless he gets seriously injured or something like that, but Kobe is the type of player who works every off-season to better himself...He will amaze...PeACe
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If you been payin attention to every other post ive ever made on this subject youd know, i dont consider Jordan and Kobe anywhere NEAR in the same league. And most others dont either. As a matter of fact, no one does except Kobe fans. So yeah, i think his career has already reached its pinnacle. He NEEDS others to make him great. I dont know why u guys cant see that when everyone else does. He NEEDS it. He's just not that guy. He's not the guy that makes everyone else successful. As for Lebron, i dunno if u saw Magic when he was just on Jey Leno?
when asked about the NBA age limit being at 19....he responded saying he wished it was 20. He said that all coaches feel the same. That their jobs are harder because they are stuck in the situation of having to teach kids the game of basketball. How players arent ready at the age of 18...or even 17 sometimes to play on an NBA team. He used the examples of Garnett and Kobe. Saying that they are both great players, and were good coming in. But that even they werent ready. It took them a couple years to realy develop their game to that of an NBA player. Then, in the middle of that comment he said..."except Lebron....he's special...". Maybe Magics opinion doesnt mean shit....but lets just say...its the same as mine. Go ahead NIK....disagree with the allmighty Magic Johnson lol
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No kidding, dumbass. It's obvious that LeBron developed at an earlier age than Kobe, that's all Magic was saying...How many fucking times have we heard Magic saying Kobe is the best player in the league by far, and praising Kobe as one of the greatests...So if you wanna bring Magic into this, you've just killed your whole argument by yourself...LeBron is just special as in he got to an all-star level right off the bat (being pushed on an extremely whack team, of course), but Kobe hss still accomplished so much more and is on a whole other level...Anyone who knows anything will tell you the same.
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