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The Bible v The Qur'an
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cska-moscow:
--- Quote from: Captain on August 19, 2005, 06:31:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: lazarus on August 18, 2005, 04:47:12 AM ---Firstly, like I said before, the Qur'an is not a science book and therefore it does not reveal all science. Islam teaches us to seek knowledge and learn thing's for ourselves, if Allah/God simply gave us all knowledge and told us everything, then the world would not be like it is today. However, having said this, Dr Keith Moore examined the verses in the Qur'an extensively and I am sure if you have visited the link then you should know his finding's.
Like I said the Qur'an does not contain all science but merely a guidance. Therefore we cannot make conclusion's based on what it may/should say but on what it does say.
It say's in the Qur'an, there will be people whom when you show them evidence for the first time will know it is the truth and accept, but some may require you to show it 10 times and some 1000 times and still they will not accept it, the Qur'an refer's to this people as the blind, the deaf, the dumb and there will be no changing these people.
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listen buddy, its cool and all youre reppin the qu'ran, but if youre gonna play the scientific card, then you have to play it all the way, you cant just say it has scientific facts, then flip the script and say only look at the scientific facts that are correct, and ignore the incorrect statements...
other than that, the quaran and the bible pretty much teach the same thing, be a good person... main differences: the bible brings in alot of mythology and peace, the quran brings in science, violence and demeaning women... throw that aside, and you have two books that promote similar values.
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But I have stated many time's over, there are no scientific error's in the Qur'an, what I was pointing out to the other person was that OK the Qur'an may not go into much detail but the main point of the statement is correct. Thus we cannot make assumption's on what should be said but on what is actually written and then say if that is correct or incorrect.
On you're second point, the Qur'an does not bring violence, many of the verses in the Qur'an that are used today are taken out of context, the verses relate to the war's that the Muslim's fought and said, only battle in war's and kill no women and children and firstly try to promote peace before fighting. It does not state go killing every day.
Demeaning Women ?!??! I admit it seem's odd to a westerner when they see women dressed in Islamic clothes as they are not used to it. The women clearly feel that they are comfortable and feel safe in the particular dress so they wear it, no one forces them to wear such dress.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: lazarus on August 21, 2005, 01:03:48 PM ---
Demeaning Women ?!??! I admit it seem's odd to a westerner when they see women dressed in Islamic clothes as they are not used to it. The women clearly feel that they are comfortable and feel safe in the particular dress so they wear it, no one forces them to wear such dress.
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Are you an Arab from the Middle East? Because I know a lot of them and they all feel that they should have control over any woman in their family. Most I know even say that they'd kill their daughter if she had premarital sex. The North American born arabs don't feel this way but the ones raised in the middle east and then moved here do. Please don't be an idiot. To say Islam isn't filled with sexists is like saying the Catholic Church isn't filled with sexists.
rafsta:
^you cant compare the sexism in the church to the sexism in islam... sexism in christianity only streches as far as church on sundays, islam the sexism is an ongoing thing every-day...
how is it the women have a choice ? they HAVE to wear a veil, they are comfortable with it, just like a dog can get used to wearing a flea collar, sure its weird at first, but then conditioning allows it to forget ! so why dont they make it optional ? i am sure that over 50% of women would stop wearing it if they werent punished for it in any way...
rafsta:
the veil is a pathetic way for islamic men to control women...
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