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Islam in America
Shallow:
I brought up Greece before you specified the quote you used was about early Muslims. Then I dropped Greece, but you came back with Spain, India, etc.
I'm not just talking about Islamix Governement but society, meaning the family. A white kid who's family doesn't really go to church comes home and sys I want to be a Muslim he gets a "oh, that's odd, whatever". A Muslim kid does the same he gets a lot more than that. Now a Hispanic kid coming home to a Catholic family would have a much harder time getting approval. What are the numbers of latinos converting to Islam?
It's simple logic. If a the discipline in the house restricts something severely growing up there is a less of a chance of the kid doing it later (of course you get the odd rebel).
So you explain it to me. Why don't Muslims convert to Christianity too often? I think because the religion is cemented in them more so than Christians.
J @ M @ L:
I don't know what it has to do with the argument, but I think you answered your own question there at the end.
edit: Again this has nothing to do with the argument, but you asked for some information, so I tried to see what I could find... took a couple minutes, you can do it yourself next time :)
"Ronaldo Cruz, executive director of the Secretariat for Hispanic Affairs of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, puts the number of departures from the church very roughly at 100,000 a year."
So that's 100,000 a year leaving the Catholic church.
As for Latino Muslims in the U.S., the estimates range from 40,000 - 60,000.
cska-moscow:
--- Quote from: CWalker187 on September 16, 2005, 07:07:01 PM ---JML lost another debate.
--- End quote ---
Lol, you just don't get it do you. But anyway no one really takes you're opinion seriously, so just keep blabbing out bullshit.
cska-moscow:
Salaam,
I have been reading this debate and there have been some good point's said by both poster's but I would just like to clarify some points:
1) The number of Latino's converting to Islam in the US has been increasing at a massive rate.
2) In the day's of the Prophet, the sword was only used to protect him and his follower's as the Quraysh tried to wipe them out but with Allah (swt) the Muslim's prevailed. Howver after the Prophet the word of Islam had to be spread and it did, but that did not mean that every country captured by Muslim's was to "cleansed" and everyone forcely became Muslim, this was and is not the case. Yes people converted but some did not but they were left to practice their religion. If what you say was the case then the 14 million Christian's in the Middle East would not exist.
<< Quote: Shallow : The Martyrs of Cordoba show what can happen to Christians, as 48, mostly priests, were decapitated for "blaspheming". Most even deliberately did it in order to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the faith. Another reason I prefer Christianity. The most extreme Christians (not warriors who pretend to be cheistian but true Christians), sacrifice their lives for the faith but not for a war. They don't suicide bomb or try and kill anyone, but rather get themselves killed to show the power of their belief. >>
Firstly, I would like you to provide a source for you're claim and secondly you have once agin assumed that suicide bombing is permitted in Islam, which is not. The people that enact such crimes are as far away from Islam as possible.
<< Quote: Shallow : You're nuts. You brought up Spain, and all the other countries then you say "oh but that wasn't Muhammad", so then why the fuck did you bring it up?
I don't even think you know what your talking about or what you think you're arguing.
I'm not even going to respond to you, other than correcting a few mistakes you made when interpreting what I meant. >>
Is it that you are not going to respond to him or that you can't respond to him ?
<< Quote: Shallow : Yes thrre are lmost 150 million Muslims in India but there are over 800 million Hindus. There are more Muslims in Pakistan than in India, and al those used to be part of India. >>
And what's the relevance to the argument ?
<< Quote: Shallow : I haven't given up you just keep contradicting yourself. Your beating yourself more than I'm beating you. You bring up one point I respond to it and then you call the point irrlevant. >>
I have not really seen him doing this, the fact is you seem to get agitated when you're point's have been refuted and with all of his argument's you seem to "not want to answer".
<< Quote: Shallow : Hazara is stil in the Minority of Mongols and they live in an Islamic country. I'll bet if the Afaghanistan was Chrstian from day one that the they would be Christian too. It's called adapting to your surroundings because sometimes you are forced to. >>
Once again, you seem to think that every non-Muslim that has converted was forced to do so. Let's relate this to another point you made, say if the Afghan's were forced to convert, why did they not revert back to thier previous religion just the Hindu's, as you claim, did. The fact is Islam show's to a person the true way and not through all these misconception's that other religion's have and people like the simply way of life that it has.
Also what seem's odd is that, first you say Islam forced people to convert and that the "martyr's" of Cordoba died for their religion, so why did'nt the rest of the Christian's do this, after all dying for what you believe in is the best way of dying, is'nt it ?
Firstly you say Islam forced people to convert then you say it is hard to convert Christian's, you seem to contradict yourself often.
J @ M @ L:
LOL... it's done man... but whatever... you and Shallow have fun
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