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NINTENDO UNVEILS REVOLUTION CONTROLLER
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: Shallow on September 24, 2005, 01:58:08 PM ---
Just so we're clear; are you saying that the Revolution will come with programming that allows the user to program his or her own games?
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yeah thats what someone told me they'd heard... its been on a lot of peoples wishlists for years
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It is very hard for the average fan (or programmer) to program and animate a 3d game and make it look and play good. Unless Nintendo is going to use a simple pre-programmed video game maker with the system I can see it being more frustrating than fun.
Don Seer:
for you maybe.. but for people that really want to learn to make games or whatever this could be brillant.
your attitude is whats wrong with the games industry today.
who says games need to be 3D? a great game doesnt always have the best graphics. i've played some wack ass looking games that were amazing fun.
back in the day for systems like the amiga there used to be many 'easy' things that'd help people make games.. like AMOS and SEUCK.. along with "proper" languages.
the thing is.. nintendo could b ecreating a chance for people that never had them.. like people did back in the day. there is still a greater thrill about controlling whats on your TV over whats on a monitor. PC's arent home games machines like a console no matter what they do it seems.
think of it like this... open source cross platform projects that have been around for years, things like MAME and Linux will be easily portable to revolution if they've done this. along with things like media centre stuff..
i look at it like this.. if people went to the effort to hack xbox's and put linux on them, and make their own games and port MAME and make xbox media centre.. imagine what they'll do with something that doesnt need so much hassle to access the TV?
the main argument against homebrew development from the likes of Sony/M$ is that it will mean people have the ability to run unsigned code on their console.. that means they _may_ find a way to make any commercial game 'look' like its a homebrew game.. and allow copied versions to run. this same reason is why consoles often use 'new' or altered versions of existing media.
anyways.. i was just told this by a guy at work.. it seems there was a rumour about this back in may, and from what i can tell it may not be true.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Overseer on September 26, 2005, 02:30:31 AM ---for you maybe.. but for people that really want to learn to make games or whatever this could be brillant.
your attitude is whats wrong with the games industry today.
who says games need to be 3D? a great game doesnt always have the best graphics. i've played some wack ass looking games that were amazing fun.
back in the day for systems like the amiga there used to be many 'easy' things that'd help people make games.. like AMOS and SEUCK.. along with "proper" languages.
the thing is.. nintendo could b ecreating a chance for people that never had them.. like people did back in the day. there is still a greater thrill about controlling whats on your TV over whats on a monitor. PC's arent home games machines like a console no matter what they do it seems.
think of it like this... open source cross platform projects that have been around for years, things like MAME and Linux will be easily portable to revolution if they've done this. along with things like media centre stuff..
i look at it like this.. if people went to the effort to hack xbox's and put linux on them, and make their own games and port MAME and make xbox media centre.. imagine what they'll do with something that doesnt need so much hassle to access the TV?
the main argument against homebrew development from the likes of Sony/M$ is that it will mean people have the ability to run unsigned code on their console.. that means they _may_ find a way to make any commercial game 'look' like its a homebrew game.. and allow copied versions to run. this same reason is why consoles often use 'new' or altered versions of existing media.
anyways.. i was just told this by a guy at work.. it seems there was a rumour about this back in may, and from what i can tell it may not be true.
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I'm not looking at this from personal standpoint. I'm looking at it from a business standpoint. What's ben Nintendo's key demographic the past 5 years? Young children. Getting young children into programming code isn't exactly easy. Another thing is the american gamer. The american gamer reflects the american way of of life; bigger, faster, better. Like I said with GTA and GTA 2. It didn't take off until GTA 3. Even though the game was more or less the same except with a graphics improvement. People today want the new best things in the 3D gaming experience, not the old 2D side scrolling stuff. Even personally, I'd rather get an emulator and play the old games by the pros and play some new ones by amateurs. I remember watching an interview by the head of Shiny Ent. and he was talking about how Europe is a lot more about making games rather than playing them, and it's not like that anywhere else. If need to focus on cutting edge software and a whole lotta games. Making games may be fun for you, and like I said it may become a great cult system, but realistically it won't mean a thing to the average gamer. Compare the sales of something like FF7 to the sales of RPG Maker.
Saying a system that lets you make your own games, whether it's a rumour or not, will make a dent in Sony's business is like saying camcorders with movie editing techniques are going to make a dent in Hollywood's business. People want to play the best games from the best game makers, just like people want to watch the best movies from the best movie makers. It may be fun to do it yourself and may help you but help Nintendo right now.
1) I'm not that familiar with hte X Box. How many home made games reached the main X Box market ans what are they? and what do you mean by access the TV?
2) I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say make commercial games look homebrew.
Trauma-san:
In my opinion, I doubt it's true. I read something, in an interview, that led me to believe that Nintendo will be working with smaller companies with some sort of templates, if that's possible, that will reduce some of the start up costs of developing games (they're saying around 50%). I didn't read anything that led me to believe they would be releasing homebrew friendly software.
Ultimately, the move they're making isn't to satiate fans who want to do their own games, it's to please third-party developers, whom Nintendo has had a rocky road with over the last several years. The main reason Nintendo is in 3rd place right now is because they didn't make it easy for third party developers to thrive on their system. Their first party titles are head and shoulders above the other two companies games, but that's not enough to win the battle anymore.
So now they're making it cheaper to make games for the revolution, they're saying you'll be able to make two or three revolution games for the price it would take to make 1 360 game or ps3 game. I think it's an effective strategy that will probably help them out tremendously.
I think the company with the most to lose this time around is Sony. I don't see the PS3 being the #1 console, that will probably belong to X-box, and Nintendo may or may not regain the '2nd' spot. The Gamecube has been outperforming the X-box in sales for nearly a year now, although in terms of overall sales it hasn't caught up.
Shallow; you're basically a pessimist. It comes across in all of your conversations.
"Make it look like homebrew" means that if Nintendo allows you to make a homebrew game for their system, then you could just copy "Super Mario Bros Revolution" or whatever onto a disc, hack it with a small code that makes it look like an original, homebrew creation, and run pirated software on the system. The revolution, to be able to play homebrew games, would have to be able to play pirated software.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: I Want My Donation Back on September 26, 2005, 06:45:35 AM ---In my opinion, I doubt it's true. I read something, in an interview, that led me to believe that Nintendo will be working with smaller companies with some sort of templates, if that's possible, that will reduce some of the start up costs of developing games (they're saying around 50%). I didn't read anything that led me to believe they would be releasing homebrew friendly software.
Ultimately, the move they're making isn't to satiate fans who want to do their own games, it's to please third-party developers, whom Nintendo has had a rocky road with over the last several years. The main reason Nintendo is in 3rd place right now is because they didn't make it easy for third party developers to thrive on their system. Their first party titles are head and shoulders above the other two companies games, but that's not enough to win the battle anymore.
So now they're making it cheaper to make games for the revolution, they're saying you'll be able to make two or three revolution games for the price it would take to make 1 360 game or ps3 game. I think it's an effective strategy that will probably help them out tremendously.
I think the company with the most to lose this time around is Sony. I don't see the PS3 being the #1 console, that will probably belong to X-box, and Nintendo may or may not regain the '2nd' spot. The Gamecube has been outperforming the X-box in sales for nearly a year now, although in terms of overall sales it hasn't caught up.
Shallow; you're basically a pessimist. It comes across in all of your conversations.
"Make it look like homebrew" means that if Nintendo allows you to make a homebrew game for their system, then you could just copy "Super Mario Bros Revolution" or whatever onto a disc, hack it with a small code that makes it look like an original, homebrew creation, and run pirated software on the system. The revolution, to be able to play homebrew games, would have to be able to play pirated software.
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There's a fine line between pessimistic and realistic. You are over optimistic and unrealistic. You actually said PS3 might fall to number 3. Gamecube and XBox combined didn't even sell half the systems PS2 sold. Sony is starting with a much bigger market. They have 90 million buyers to get to buy a PS3, while Microsoft and Nintendo have about 20 million to start with. Sony could only attract half their audience while Nintendo and Microsoft could each double, and Sony would still be number 1. Sony may lose down the line but anyone that thinks that Sony is going to lose the next round thinks with hte same logic that caused people to think Genesis would beat out SNES.
I don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.
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