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NINTENDO UNVEILS REVOLUTION CONTROLLER
Don Seer:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 27, 2005, 08:46:55 AM ---Seer- like I said above security is overrated if you can't sell systems. In fact, making it easy to hack sells systems. There's no point fighting it. If companies just made good games that are somewhat challenging and aren't over and done with after a weeek and reasonably priced then pirating wouldn't be half the issue it is.
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you missed the point i've been making yet again.. people aren't going to want to make games for a console that is compromised.
whats the point in buying a system if no one makes games for it?
most companies sell their console's at near cost (or in the case of the xbox a loss!).. the money comes from game licences and royalties.
therefore.. you're talking rubbish about them selling hackable consoles being a good thing for them to do.
its never ever a good thing as far as console sales go.
yes you're right.. some games are shit.. thats how it goes. fact is.. these consoles won't have much between them.. and the reality is franchises like GTA will be real system sellers.
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 27, 2005, 08:46:55 AM ---"That said, the company behind the PlayStation Portable announced that its group net profit for the fiscal year that ended March 31, 2005, rose by 85.1 percent compared to the previous year. Its FY2004 net profit totaled 163.84 billion yen ($1.54 billion), compared to 88.51 billion yen ($833 million) in FY2003."
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/27/news_6123076.html
Sony made 1.5 billion last fiscal year. That's more than Nintendo made.
(for the record. I'm pretty sure Nintendo posted a net loss once back in October of 2003).
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Overseer's post made me read yours, damn it.
If you'll just fucking READ the news story you posted, SONY (the global, electronic giant) DID make 1.5 billion dollars last fiscal year... but their gaming division made nowhere near that much money, despite the launch of the PSP and being "#1" in the marketplace. If you had even half the fucking brain you think you do, maybe you would have dug and found it. You're counting in the profits Sony made from DVD sales, T.V. Sales, Camcorders, DVD players, VCR's, Movies like "Spiderman 2". If Nintendo was counting Box office sales, then their numbers likely would be much higher as well, with Pokemon movies and shit.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Overseer on September 27, 2005, 09:02:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 27, 2005, 08:46:55 AM ---Seer- like I said above security is overrated if you can't sell systems. In fact, making it easy to hack sells systems. There's no point fighting it. If companies just made good games that are somewhat challenging and aren't over and done with after a weeek and reasonably priced then pirating wouldn't be half the issue it is.
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you missed the point i've been making yet again.. people aren't going to want to make games for a console that is compromised.
whats the point in buying a system if no one makes games for it?
most companies sell their console's at near cost (or in the case of the xbox a loss!).. the money comes from game licences and royalties.
therefore.. you're talking rubbish about them selling hackable consoles being a good thing for them to do.
its never ever a good thing as far as console sales go.
yes you're right.. some games are shit.. thats how it goes. fact is.. these consoles won't have much between them.. and the reality is franchises like GTA will be real system sellers.
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Then why did the most easily compromised systems PSX and PS2 get all the games. Why do you think they won both of the past 2 wars? Games. That's why, and that's why they're going to win the next one. Why do they get all the games? Because they sell the most systems and availability is a key issue for game makers. Reasoning aside, Sony sells more and sony is the easiest to hack. PSX destoyed N64. PS2 destroyed Xbox.
Trauma, once again you're being an idiot. You write posts and expect responses but pretend not to read what others write, and you brought up Sony's loss, not PS2's earning. You really want to see numbers? THen find out PS2 related money and compare it to Gamecube related money. I never said the gameboy market was dead, with GBA being the clear cut champion of current hand held gaming.
And just because you're such an idiot I'll explain my reasoning with the fiscal quarter comment, and I'll do it in an analogy. If 2 teams are playing football and team A scores 35 points in quarter 1, 25 points in quarter 2, 50 points in quarter 3 and zero points in quarter 4, and team B cores 25 points in all four quartes, who wins the game? Does it really fucking matter that that Team A was outscored in one quarter?
The bottom line is Sony makes more money than Nintendo (you can count all the movies and TV shows you want) and Sony sells more systems. Sony's video game market is not why they are losing money. If you read the article you'd notice it was sony's video cameras, TVs, and DVD players that were down. Playstation 3 will be in more homes than Revolution or X Box 360 come January 2007.
Trauma-san:
Did you read the news story you posted? EVEN IF Sony made 1.53 billion dollars, TOTAL, for their entire fiscal year, Nintendo made 630 million, for the past fiscal quarter. For the fiscal year BEFORE that quarter, which runs up with the sony article you posted, Nintendo earned 1.04 billion dollars in operating profit. Sony is sellng camcorders, dvd's, and even filming hollywood movies like Spiderman 2 to help them make their 1.53 billion dollars. Your article clearly shows Sony making 407 million dollars in operating profit last year, in their gaming division. 407 million dollars, Nintendo made twice that.
P.S. - I've been doing a little research online, and the nasty secret is, Nintendo's been making more money than Sony for fucking YEARS. Microsoft isn't even in the picture, they've only turned a profit one quarter, while Nintendo has only lost 1 quarter, and that was due to a fluctuation in the value of the U.S. dollar vs. the Yen. Nintendo's advantage is apparently that not only are they one of the top 3 hardware manufacturers, they're one of the top 2 or 3 software manufacturers as well.
So argue all you want, Nintendo's not going to die anytime soon, because they're making money smart instead of running a footrace on technology.
Don Seer:
i hope this dude isn't an accountant.
sony get all the games because they pay for those games.. for example making GTA:SA exclusive for a period was a very clever move on their part..
however... microsoft have gone one step further with "rareware" now.. which was a similarly clever move.. them having been the best producer of nintendo games outside of nintendo themselves in prior generations
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