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Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 02, 2005, 08:53:00 AM ---
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--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 01, 2005, 02:39:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 01, 2005, 11:26:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on November 01, 2005, 10:47:34 AM ---i can't be arsed to read all that
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Too bad that you have time to read articles with omitted facts and to post them but you don't have time to read the honest truth only because it's complex and because it shatters all of the misconceptions you've grown used to.
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Yes because if you believe it, then it must be the honest truth.... like "Palestinians have in no way been victims of Zionism"... LOL...
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See this has nothing to do with what I think because all I did was pasting it for you to read it, you are the one assuming. Read it and see for yourself whether it is the truth- this is not like your bullshit articles man, you can actually see for yourself - THESE ARE FACTS.
P.S Saying that The Palestinian leadership played only a secondary role in harming the Paletinian people is laughable. The only reason Israel had for retaliating was because they refused to uproot terrorism with in their authority, how come you don't get this?
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I said "if you believe it"... that means you accepting it as the truth... which you obviously do, so why do you say "this has nothing to do with what I think".... I'm assuming that you accept it as the truth? LOLLL yeah... nice try, dumbfuck... just because you make assumptions about me, doesn't mean I have the need to make them about you... another case of you having no response and resorting to non-sense.
Yes, you accept those as facts... and I consider "my bullshit articles" (whatever you're referring to) as facts...
You're talking about the present time... I'm talking about the past... what about Israeli terrorism in the mid 20th century? Again, it seems like you don't know what the argument at hand is... so you just choose one and run with it.. and away from the truth at the same time.
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LMAO man you're so damn funny....I don't have to believe something that is factual, obviously you haven't even read it(- cross reference it with the bibliography if you want), I'm not arguing on whether it is the truth- IT SIMPLY IS (lol..just like the civil war in the U.S)... you're coming up with such pathetic bullshit...at least read it before bullshiting about what's true and what's not.
And this is the problem that you CONSIDER your shit to be factual meaning that you view it as such- In your opinion those are facts something that means YOU'RE THE ONE DEALING WITH OPINIONS after having said you're only dealing with pure facts....see, I don't consider, I know. If you read it or do some in-depth research YOU'D KNOW TOO- it comes to clearify historical errors you can find in many books you may have been taught upon or taught by people influenced by those books.
And about your half assed references to Jewish underground groups - it's obvious you don't even know what you're talking about, you're just mentioning shit so it will seem like you have something to say, these people rose after the Brits started backing down from the Balfour Declaration which was suppose to be their primary goal ,yet you choose to ignore the fact The Arab States declined the "partition plan" when the Palestinians could have most of the land (as if land was/is even the issue here.... you're so naive), while planing to eliminate the state of Israel and also as a result created the refugee problem.Your entire argument is based on the fact Israel is occupying land right? If the "Partition Plan" was to be accepted by the Arab Higher Committee back then would we be having this discussion right now???-THEY PLANED TO ELIMINATE ISRAEL, THEY DID NOT WANT TO CREATE A PALESTINIAN STATE---these are facts my friend. Who is to blame when the Jews accepted the "Patition Plan" despite being allocated with a tiny part of the land and the Palestinians chose to flee under the attack threats of the Arab States. How can you ignore all this, GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PAGE AND READ THE HISTORICAL ORDER OF EVENTS.
J @ M @ L:
"I don't have to believe something that is factual"
If this is your thesis statement, then you have 7 pages of posts to back this up with, and now I know why we're not getting anywhere :)
"I'm not arguing whether it's the truth.. it simply is"
Wow, I wonder why I didn't think of that one. "just like the civil war in the U.S."
PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN AND ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM.... I'm not arguing whether it's truth... IT SIMPLY IS... just like the U.S. dropping bombs on Japan.
When I stated that: "Yes, you accept those as facts... and I consider "my bullshit articles" (whatever you're referring to) as facts... " it was meant as sarcasm, which is why I used the word bullshit... I was simply showing you what you sound like... and now you agree that this is expressing one's own opinion, and not facts... so I have made my point, and your dumbass has proven it.
edit: my sig says it all :)
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on November 02, 2005, 10:50:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 01, 2005, 02:34:04 PM ---Anyways, I'm arguing with people who claim it's the soldiers' choice to bulldoze homes and not the government's... and that Zionism hasn't affected Palestinians.... LOLLLL...
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You're just making shit up, everything you say has no value, because it's based on lies. When have I said it's the soldies choice to bulldoze homes? I said if innocent people were getting harmed, it was due to the soldiers error, not the government...It's not my fault you have a hard time understanding.
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--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on October 25, 2005, 01:07:14 AM ---I never knew it was the "government" bulldozing homes and killing innocent people, I thought it was the Israeli soldiers performing these actions (PLURAL... BULLDOZING HOMES AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE... GET IT?). Oh wait, it was..."Government" does not approve the killings of innocent people, I Geezy has been saying that...
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Don't take the I Geezy route and make false accusations because you've been proven wrong.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 03, 2005, 02:30:47 AM ---"I don't have to believe something that is factual"
If this is your thesis statement, then you have 7 pages of posts to back this up with, and now I know why we're not getting anywhere :)
"I'm not arguing whether it's the truth.. it simply is"
Wow, I wonder why I didn't think of that one. "just like the civil war in the U.S."
PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN AND ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM.... I'm not arguing whether it's truth... IT SIMPLY IS... just like the U.S. dropping bombs on Japan.
When I stated that: "Yes, you accept those as facts... and I consider "my bullshit articles" (whatever you're referring to) as facts... " it was meant as sarcasm, which is why I used the word bullshit... I was simply showing you what you sound like... and now you agree that this is expressing one's own opinion, and not facts... so I have made my point, and your dumbass has proven it.
edit: my sig says it all :)
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LOL It's like saying " THE SKIES ARE PINK"....You have to distinguish Historical Facts from interpretations, you're trying to pass your interpretations AS THE TRUTH and I'm pointing out the historical facts which you choose to ignore in your statements. What is factual however is that Palestinians for years now have been victims of their self-proclaimed leaders and freedom fighters and you my friend are trying to blur the discussion with your kiddy shit- THIS IS PROVEN- no denying this. You keep saying that "well yes they may have been hurt by their leadership but Israel is at greater fault..." not realising that the demeanor of their leadership and it's accomplices holds as its agenda to kill civilians on both sides, they are the ones provoking Israeli retaliation-IF THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP FOUGHT TERRORISM on its own Israel would never have to preform foiling operations on Palestinian territory but since their leadership is in support of terrorism Israel has no other choice than to retaliate AND THEY EXPECT ISRAEL TO STRIKE since these terrorists live within the peaceful population and even while trying to keep these strikes focused there is no way to avoid innocent deaths (And they know it and YOU know it) completely, THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID THESE DEPLORABLE VICTIMS ON BOTH SIDES is for the Palestinian leadership to start fighting terrorism, something IT IS NOT WILLING TO DO....Do you realise that they wouldn't be building this stupid wall we both oppose if the Palestinian Leadership was willing to uproot terrorism within itself???- According to the statistics it helped reducing terrorist acts drastically, what would you do if you were a Defence Minister of a terrorism stricken country after confronting such figures when it isn't even fully built yet, can you honestly blame them considering the lives at risk?- You seem to condemn this wall more than you condemn terrorist acts and what a wierd way condemning such acts you have when you don't even fully acknowledge their repercussions- They don't only kill Israelis they also trigger the deaths of peacful poor Palestinians who DO NOT DESERVE TO DIE and the leadership, instead of fighting Palestinian terrorism, condones it and waits for Israel to retaliate so it could later receive more indetification and compassion from this Propaganda Drenched World that bases its views upon feelings instead of exploring the causes. I have Palestinian(Israeli Arabs) friends in college and they also view the Palestinian leadership as the primary obstacle on the way to peace and since they have relatives/in laws in the autonomy they say this is a very widespread view among the Palestinian population although they WANT Israel to be more compromising since the leadership does not reflect the consensus (so it is upon Israel to protect Palestinian civilians as well according to them even though they aren't Israeli citizens as a country that upholds democracy) in the autonomy but they SEE THE TRUE CAUSES to the problem and I'm wondering what drives you in this discussion, do you simply want to be right ? "win an argument"? Come on, this is serious business, A VERY COMPLEX BUSINESS, you need to look beyond the propaganda you've been fed and beyond the disinformation....Study this and you'll find out many interesting details....The articles I brought weren't to prove you wrong,I can't correct someone who had been fed unadulterated propaganda along with disinformation for so long , I brought them so you could see for yourself!- There's nothing argumentative or polemic about them, there's nothing anti-Palestinian or pro-Israeli- only FACTS!
P.S
INFO:
Black September-
The name given to the armed conflict in September 1970 that occurred after Palestinians living in Jordan threatened the regime and provoked King Hussein to attack the PLO. The PLO was routed and thousands of Palestinians fled to Lebanon. Later a terrorist faction of the PLO took the name Black September.
YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAMES THAT ARE NOWADAYS PLAYED WITH ISRAEL WITH NON-DEMOCRATIC REGIMES....I wonder if there's a UN resolution? :)
West Bank-
Territory west of the Jordan River that Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 Six-Day War. Long known as Judea and Samaria, this 2263-square mile territory is home to a Palestinian population of more than one million, as well as about 240,000 Jewish residents.
Now tell me where was their self-determination agenda when they belonged to Jordan?Was Jordan ever chraged with occupation by the "International Law", or by its representatives on this board, you guys? How exactly such figures of Jewish population would threaten such an agenda(after the west bank had been captured by Israel)? 20% of our population is Palestinian and we are an established democracy....IF THEY WERE TO CREATE A DEMOCRATIC STATE WOULD THE PALESTINIAN MAJORITY be jeopardised considering these figures and the fact the Palestinian natural increase is much-much higher?
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 03, 2005, 02:44:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on November 02, 2005, 10:50:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 01, 2005, 02:34:04 PM ---Anyways, I'm arguing with people who claim it's the soldiers' choice to bulldoze homes and not the government's... and that Zionism hasn't affected Palestinians.... LOLLLL...
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You're just making shit up, everything you say has no value, because it's based on lies. When have I said it's the soldies choice to bulldoze homes? I said if innocent people were getting harmed, it was due to the soldiers error, not the government...It's not my fault you have a hard time understanding.
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--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on October 25, 2005, 01:07:14 AM ---I never knew it was the "government" bulldozing homes and killing innocent people, I thought it was the Israeli soldiers performing these actions (PLURAL... BULLDOZING HOMES AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE... GET IT?). Oh wait, it was..."Government" does not approve the killings of innocent people, I Geezy has been saying that...
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Don't take the I Geezy route and make false accusations because you've been proven wrong.
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It's too bad you have a tough time getting what I'm saying. If I didn't know you better, I'd think you were one of the typical WCC members who can't comprehend too much. I said bulldozing homes and killing innocent people, meaning the wrong homes were being bulldozed by the Israeli soldiers, which caused innocent people to die. Do you get it yet?
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