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Would you make that trade? (Artest vs Odom/Brown)
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 24, 2005, 03:20:12 PM ---It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
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You're right. I mean i already posted days ago that i'm cool with him having a different opinion, and that only time will tell who's right. But we're talking about something different in the last posts. We're talking about the plan behind Lakers future, not about this simple trade. It's basically
OPTION 1 (hoping for the young non-supertars-yet Odom and Brown to eventually reach their full potential) or
OPTION 2 (trading them for a superstar-now player trying to convince other FA's to sign for the Lakers starting from 2 superstars and building the team around them, and using the 2007/08 FA to complete a contender team)
I go with Option 2, he goes with Option 1. But i aint the one dissing him. It's just that he takes everything personal, even when i say i dont think Odom is an all-star material yet.
Anyway i'm tired of opening the Sports & Entertainment section of this forum and everytime there's a new post by Nik who just cant accept me having a different opinion. Like i said, i didnt kill your dog, homie. And i'm a Laker fan too. I'd rather get a superstar player now, and rebuild the team around him and Kobe. You prefeer to delevope Brown and Odom (good luck) into superstars. But we're both Laker fans, lol. Just with a different idea on the 2007/08 plan.
Juronimo:
--- Quote from: Antonio on October 24, 2005, 03:26:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 24, 2005, 03:20:12 PM ---It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
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You're right. I mean i already posted days ago that i'm cool with him having a different opinion, and that only time will tell who's right. But we're talking about something different in the last posts. We're talking about the plan behind Lakers future, not about this simple trade. It's basically
OPTION 1 (hoping for the young non-supertars-yet Odom and Brown to eventually reach their full potential) or
OPTION 2 (trading them for a superstar-now player trying to convince other FA's to sign for the Lakers starting from 2 superstars and building the team around them, and using the 2007/08 FA to complete a contender team)
I go with Option 2, he goes with Option 1. But i aint the one dissing him. It's just that he takes everything personal, even when i say i dont think Odom is an all-star material yet.
Anyway i'm tired of opening the Sports & Entertainment section of this forum and everytime there's a new post by Nik who just cant accept me having a different opinion. Like i said, i didnt kill your dog, homie. And i'm a Laker fan too. I'd rather get a superstar player now, and rebuild the team around him and Kobe. You prefeer to delevope Brown and Odom (good luck) into superstars. But we're both Laker fans, lol. Just with a different idea on the 2007/08 plan.
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Antonio, you would seriously make this trade? Do you know what that means?
This means that Kobe would have to go back to being the initiator, which did not work last season and it ended up tiring him out and him being injured once again.
We would have either Cook or Slava as our starting PF :nawty: :oi: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Yes Artest is a great player, great defender, can score, etc.
With Kobe on the wing, that means he can just concentrate on just scoring without having to worry about being the playmaker.
LO prefers to be the initiator rather than being the scorer. Phil is capitalizing on the way LO likes to play, which will benefit the Lakers in the long run.
Kwame at the minimum will be a serviceable PF and at best could be a 15/8 type player, maybe better. This is much better than a Cook/Slava platoon at PF.
I think the Lakers are much better off keeping things the way they are instead of blowing up their team, especially with only 2 weeks left until opening day.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
The fact that you say Lamar Odom isn't all-star material yet when he's already proven so kills your whole argument...I don't know if you got this yet, but Option 2 has a lot more downsides to it than you think. You're acting like Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown are 2 no names, remember, Odom practically led the olympic team, he's considered a star player. And Kwame Brown has already proven himself to be an 11-8 guy with potential to be a WHOLE LOT more...You get what I'm saying?
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: Juronimo is Public Enemy #1 on October 24, 2005, 04:01:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on October 24, 2005, 03:26:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 24, 2005, 03:20:12 PM ---It's just that you 2 got that subtle beef going on in the last couple of days.. it's some petty shit to me, there are people dying out there, those things do happen. You 2 basically argue about Lamar Odom for days. I mean Im not the one to tell people what they should talk about, but yeah, sorry to interrupt.
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You're right. I mean i already posted days ago that i'm cool with him having a different opinion, and that only time will tell who's right. But we're talking about something different in the last posts. We're talking about the plan behind Lakers future, not about this simple trade. It's basically
OPTION 1 (hoping for the young non-supertars-yet Odom and Brown to eventually reach their full potential) or
OPTION 2 (trading them for a superstar-now player trying to convince other FA's to sign for the Lakers starting from 2 superstars and building the team around them, and using the 2007/08 FA to complete a contender team)
I go with Option 2, he goes with Option 1. But i aint the one dissing him. It's just that he takes everything personal, even when i say i dont think Odom is an all-star material yet.
Anyway i'm tired of opening the Sports & Entertainment section of this forum and everytime there's a new post by Nik who just cant accept me having a different opinion. Like i said, i didnt kill your dog, homie. And i'm a Laker fan too. I'd rather get a superstar player now, and rebuild the team around him and Kobe. You prefeer to delevope Brown and Odom (good luck) into superstars. But we're both Laker fans, lol. Just with a different idea on the 2007/08 plan.
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Antonio, you would seriously make this trade? Do you know what that means?
This means that Kobe would have to go back to being the initiator, which did not work last season and it ended up tiring him out and him being injured once again.
We would have either Cook or Slava as our starting PF :nawty: :oi: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Yes Artest is a great player, great defender, can score, etc.
With Kobe on the wing, that means he can just concentrate on just scoring without having to worry about being the playmaker.
LO prefers to be the initiator rather than being the scorer. Phil is capitalizing on the way LO likes to play, which will benefit the Lakers in the long run.
Kwame at the minimum will be a serviceable PF and at best could be a 15/8 type player, maybe better. This is much better than a Cook/Slava platoon at PF.
I think the Lakers are much better off keeping things the way they are instead of blowing up their team, especially with only 2 weeks left until opening day.
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Thank God...Somebody else on this board has a brain.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Juronimo is Public Enemy #1 on October 24, 2005, 04:01:45 PM ---Antonio, you would seriously make this trade? Do you know what that means?
This means that Kobe would have to go back to being the initiator, which did not work last season and it ended up tiring him out and him being injured once again.
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Why Kobe? Artest can do it. And Odom is "struggling", according to Phil. "He's struggling. He still has a ways to go and some recognition of what it takes. We're a long ways from saying you've got to throw the baby out with the bath water in this situation. We really think that the upside of our team is with him at that position. We could go back to Kobe playing that position, but that's going to take a lot of leg out of him, put a lot of pressure on the rest of the team. This is a situation I think that we all look forward to trying to experiment with". Those are the last comments of Phil Jackson about Odom. And i remember you Odom is averaging 10 points in 6 exhibitions and has made only 15 of 43 shots (34.9%). He has a team-high 26 assists but also a team-high 20 turnovers. So he's still a working project, nothing sure. So we're starting from 0. So we could do it with another player too, let's say Artest (it's the first name i have in my mind right now). He can do the initiator too. Shit even Spree can. It's not that hard. Even Walton can.
--- Quote ---We would have either Cook or Slava as our starting PF :nawty: :oi: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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No. I said in the first post (have you all read it?) that obviously Lakers had to trade somebody to get a better PF than.. nobody! Basically Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins for a good PF. Let's say Magloire? Parker, Artest, Bryant, Mihm, Magloire. It sounds like a better team to me.
--- Quote ---Yes Artest is a great player, great defender, can score, etc.
With Kobe on the wing, that means he can just concentrate on just scoring without having to worry about being the playmaker.
LO prefers to be the initiator rather than being the scorer. Phil is capitalizing on the way LO likes to play, which will benefit the Lakers in the long run.
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Put Artest in the place of Odom and it's the same, if not better. Ok, no mismatches and shit, but on the other side you have the best defender in the NBA and a guy who can go 1 on 1 against everybody, using his body probably better than Odom.
--- Quote ---Kwame at the minimum will be a serviceable PF and at best could be a 15/8 type player, maybe better. This is much better than a Cook/Slava platoon at PF.
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Once again compare him to Magloire (Butler+Atkins trade). Or to another good PF.
--- Quote ---I think the Lakers are much better off keeping things the way they are instead of blowing up their team, especially with only 2 weeks left until opening day.
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Obviously now it's too late. But Buss said something might happens soon... have you heard it?
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