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Juronimo:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on September 02, 2007, 04:03:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: GangstaBoogy on September 02, 2007, 02:48:20 AM ---Here's a good analysis for the Lakers defensive situation posted by a fan on lakersground.net
--- Quote ---For all of the pissing and moaning about Kobe's D, the league's coaches still rate him as the best defensive 2 in the NBA.
Yeah, yeah, LGers say he's playing too much centerfield, not levelling guys off or closing guys out like he used to, but that is mostly a function of the 4 bums they have on the floor with him.
Face facts - there's not ONE other guy on this team who's even rated as an average team defender.
DFish has mad heart, but his lack of athleticism post foot surgery made Tyronn Lue the primary PG defender in 00-01.
Kwame gets a lot of run for his supposedly great individual post defense, but he's a piss-poor team defender and still can't play the PnR.
Odom has length, but gets beat by quick 3s and punished by 4s in the post, so his only real asset on D is his rebounding (which IS important).
Walton has cement feet and is routinely murdered on back cuts, picks and - despite being a solid 235# - gets destroyed on the low block.
Mihm & Turiaf are foul machines.
Mo Evans (according to Rambis) is a disappointment defensively - great body, but just can't figure out how to stay with his man.
Maybe the youngsters have some promise, but with Phil, it's a dice roll as to whether any of them - including Bynum - see any floor time.
Saying that D is infectious is trite. D at the NBA level requires skill, desire and self-determination. The guys in the league who are considered top defenders are that because they've conciously worked at it.
Some, like Bruce Bowen & Ben Wallace, bounced around the minors and developed as defenders because it was the only way they could get into the league.
Some - like JKidd, Tim Duncan and Marcus Camby - played for college coaches who would not play you unless you showed you were the best defensive player at your position, regardless of how highly recruited you were.
Some - like Kobe, Artest and MJ - have enormously out of whack egos and take it personally if you score on them.
At the NBA level - you gotta go get 2-3 good defensive players and then teach the others guys how to play with them, a la the Spurs. That's why Alonzo Mourning was AT LEAST as important as Shaq to the Heat's title. With Zo, they basically taught everyone else to just funnel their men to him and get ready to grab the rebound.
Riles didn't ask Shaq or DWade to play infectious D - he went out a got a HOF defender.
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LOL@Fisher not being an average defender. LOL@Odom not being an average defender. LOL@Evans not being an average defender. LOL@Kwame not being an average defender. LOL@Bynum not being an average defender. LOL@Turiaf not being an average defender. LOL@Mihm not being an average defender.
This guy underrated the Lakers ability. Of course you agree...PeACe
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Actually, the guy is more on than he is off.
He underrated Kwame's D but that's about it. Kwame was the only Laker who consistently played good defense last season which is why when he was healthy, the 35 of the 41 games he played, we tended to win those games.
Odom, Kobe, Turiaf, and Evans played good defense only in stretches. Bynum did good with shot blocking but his man D needs work. Turiaf was a foul magnet. Evans and Kobe were both inconsistent defensively. Odom plays good D against certain players but if he has to guard a post player, he has a hard time. Of course our D at the 1 was horrendous (Smush and Sasha).
The guy's post wasn't that off. Our problem was defense last year and the injuries helped to make our defense even more vulnerable.
7even:
Hey, when does Laker Camp start? I wanna see the Laker Soap Opera going on.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on September 24, 2007, 02:02:11 PM ---Hey, when does Laker Camp start? I wanna see the Laker Soap Opera going on.
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October 1.
GangstaBoogy:
Would Marion Now Welcome A Trade?
--- Quote ---According to several Suns sources, Shawn Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension.
Apparently Marion wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.
Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal.
The two top trade possibilities involve Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko, who is even more disgruntled with his team, and Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom and a teammate, possibly forward Brian Cook.
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Lamar Odom + Brian Cook for Shawn Marion? C'mon God - atleast give me this!
rik:
--- Quote from: GangstaBoogy on September 25, 2007, 12:08:17 PM ---Would Marion Now Welcome A Trade?
--- Quote ---According to several Suns sources, Shawn Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension.
Apparently Marion wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.
Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal.
The two top trade possibilities involve Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko, who is even more disgruntled with his team, and Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom and a teammate, possibly forward Brian Cook.
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Lamar Odom + Brian Cook for Shawn Marion? C'mon God - atleast give me this!
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That would be fuckin' stupid.
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