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wcsoldier:
I actually agree with Antonio and I know Nik will puke if Mitch pulls the trigger on this trade but to be honest I think it's time to try something ... Kobe and Lamar doesn't work as a combo , Lamar is inconsistent and injury prone ... Marion is rarely injured and despite he can't create his own , he still managed to put big numbers before the Nash era ... fact is Marion wants more touches and is frustrated with his role in Phoenix whereas he would be the 2nd option here ... the main drawback is we lost Lamar passing abilities .. besides that they're both very good rebounders, Lamar is a better defender at the 4 spot whereas Marion is a much better defender at the 3 ... if our power forward rotation would be deeper I wouldn't hesitate and play Marion as a SF but that trade would leave us with Turiaf and Vlad at the 4 , which is very weak ... though a Kobe-Marion could attract some players ala Chris Webber .. you never know ... at the end trading in the same division and improving the Suns isn't clever at all.. but not taking any risk isn't my type neither .. fact is we BETTER not fucking up the start of the season coz things could become quickly out of control ... and with the reports that Lamar may not be 100 % at the start of the season... anyways I still think the key is a Al Jefferson type of explosion from Andrew ...
Antonio_:
--- Quote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on September 26, 2007, 09:19:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on September 26, 2007, 08:42:19 AM ---We have to make trades not just cause somebody said so, but to improve the team.
--- End quote ---
It's too late for that.
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Probably, yes. But i'd rather keep those ones we have rather than doing a big revolution just to end up having Marion instead than Odom. The triangle offense ain't easy to understand, plus playing in Los Angeles ain't easy itself (you know.. the pressure is high). If we have to make a revolution, it betta be for a player better than Marion.
Antonio_:
--- Quote from: wcsoldier on September 26, 2007, 10:07:26 AM ---I actually agree with Antonio and I know Nik will puke if Mitch pulls the trigger on this trade but to be honest I think it's time to try something ... Kobe and Lamar doesn't work as a combo , Lamar is inconsistent and injury prone ... Marion is rarely injured and despite he can't create his own , he still managed to put big numbers before the Nash era ... fact is Marion wants more touches and is frustrated with his role in Phoenix whereas he would be the 2nd option here ... the main drawback is we lost Lamar passing abilities .. besides that they're both very good rebounders, Lamar is a better defender at the 4 spot whereas Marion is a much better defender at the 3 ... if our power forward rotation would be deeper I wouldn't hesitate and play Marion as a SF but that trade would leave us with Turiaf and Vlad at the 4 , which is very weak ... though a Kobe-Marion could attract some players ala Chris Webber .. you never know ... at the end trading in the same division and improving the Suns isn't clever at all.. but not taking any risk isn't my type neither .. fact is we BETTER not fucking up the start of the season coz things could become quickly out of control ... and with the reports that Lamar may not be 100 % at the start of the season... anyways I still think the key is a Al Jefferson type of explosion from Andrew ...
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Ok. I make you an example. I'd rather trade Odom AND Bynum for KG/JO/Kidd/Gasol than trading Odom+fillers for Marion. Marion won't make our team ready to contend. And i don't see a point trading Odom for a player who, just like him, ain't enought to turn the team into a contending one. Let's trade Bynum too, if necessary. But for a player who can make us contenders from day1.
wcsoldier:
--- Quote from: Antonio on September 26, 2007, 10:54:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: wcsoldier on September 26, 2007, 10:07:26 AM ---I actually agree with Antonio and I know Nik will puke if Mitch pulls the trigger on this trade but to be honest I think it's time to try something ... Kobe and Lamar doesn't work as a combo , Lamar is inconsistent and injury prone ... Marion is rarely injured and despite he can't create his own , he still managed to put big numbers before the Nash era ... fact is Marion wants more touches and is frustrated with his role in Phoenix whereas he would be the 2nd option here ... the main drawback is we lost Lamar passing abilities .. besides that they're both very good rebounders, Lamar is a better defender at the 4 spot whereas Marion is a much better defender at the 3 ... if our power forward rotation would be deeper I wouldn't hesitate and play Marion as a SF but that trade would leave us with Turiaf and Vlad at the 4 , which is very weak ... though a Kobe-Marion could attract some players ala Chris Webber .. you never know ... at the end trading in the same division and improving the Suns isn't clever at all.. but not taking any risk isn't my type neither .. fact is we BETTER not fucking up the start of the season coz things could become quickly out of control ... and with the reports that Lamar may not be 100 % at the start of the season... anyways I still think the key is a Al Jefferson type of explosion from Andrew ...
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Ok. I make you an example. I'd rather trade Odom AND Bynum for KG/JO/Kidd/Gasol than trading Odom+fillers for Marion. Marion won't make our team ready to contend. And i don't see a point trading Odom for a player who, just like him, ain't enought to turn the team into a contending one. Let's trade Bynum too, if necessary. But for a player who can make us contenders from day1.
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fact all these trades can't be made ... Odom AND Bynum for Kidd ? Hell no ... JO is injury prone , Bynum + fillers for Gasol yep but I heard NOTHING about acquiring Gasol... not even pointless rumors and by the way I still wonder why ... I'm not a fan at all of this trade BUT in 3 seasons Lamar hasn't CONSISTENLY delivered whatever the reason is (injuries , mental weakness ...) I like Lamar game but dude is fucking frustrating .. with the talent he has , he should be among the NBA top 10 players... do you want the same old shit for a 4th year in a row ? (by the way there are already reports it's unlikely he'll be 100% at the start of the season ..) ... yeah it's a risky trade but at this point I'd took it ... at least we would have tried something ... at worst we'll have the same level with Marion on the team
GangstaBoogy:
Marion And Kobe Talk Trade
Shawn Marion wants out of Phoenix and is interested in becoming a member of the Lakers.
"I'm definitely interested in the Lakers," said Marion.
He also said he talked to Kobe Bryant, and Bryant "embraced it."
Said Marion: "He wants to make it happen."
If Bryant cares about what trades the Lakers make and thinks adding Marion would help, at least it's an indication that he's thinking about the Lakers as "we" not "them."
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