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Is Kwame Brown a bust?
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 03:24:18 AM ---The fact is that he's really slow. So much that the Wizards traded him because they thought he wasn't just slow, but mediocre. But you are right about giving him a chance. I mean i didn't want Mitch to trade for him, but he did, so now we are forced to give him a chance. Plus right now we have no better options for the PF spot, unless we trade for somebody.
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Kwame is not a fast learner, true, but that doesn't mean he can't learn at all...He was traded due to his problems with the organization and his trade value was heavily down due to his catashtrophic previous season. That doesn't mean he never progressed...As I pointed out earlier, minus last season, he's shown faster improvements than Curry and Chandler...I believe he can step it up a whole lot, maybe not to superstardom, but he can without a doubt be an excellent role player and a VERY serviceable big-man. We don't even need him to be so much as an offensive force (even though he has it in him to be so), but he can provide us with a very physical and talented big man to shut down (or help shut down) the elite big men of the league on the defensive end. So far, he's been our best defensive presence out of all of our frontcourt players and he's not even close to full potential...All I'm saying is that he's done amazing things in the past and if we give him a chance it could only open the door for him to do it again on a consistant basis...Get the dreezy? If we don't put faith behind him as fans, there's no way he'll pull it together and play like we know he can...
--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 03:24:18 AM ---With Odom the situation is different. He knows what to do, and i'm sure he got skills. He's just playing under his potential since he joined the Lakers. In Miami he was the star of the team, i've loved him in Miami. But in L.A. he just suffers Kobe phisologically. He has that "where's Kobe?" mentality on the floor, and i don't like it cause, like you said, he has the potential to be another superstar, and not only the role player he is right now. He needs to step up his game. I want him to be a superstar just like Kobe. To help him. And to outscore him, sometimes. Shit i'd rather prefeer him going 1/30 than 2/2, you know what i mean? I want him to be aggressive. Coaches should double-team him like they usually double-team Kobe. But he needs to step up, man.
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Odom will do Odom...If his game doesn't comply with our system, we'll be forced to trade him...So lets not hate too soon...PeACe
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on November 24, 2005, 02:03:39 PM ---Kwame is not a fast learner, true, but that doesn't mean he can't learn at all...He was traded due to his problems with the organization and his trade value was heavily down due to his catashtrophic previous season. That doesn't mean he never progressed...As I pointed out earlier, minus last season, he's shown faster improvements than Curry and Chandler...I believe he can step it up a whole lot, maybe not to superstardom, but he can without a doubt be an excellent role player and a VERY serviceable big-man. We don't even need him to be so much as an offensive force (even though he has it in him to be so), but he can provide us with a very physical and talented big man to shut down (or help shut down) the elite big men of the league on the defensive end. So far, he's been our best defensive presence out of all of our frontcourt players and he's not even close to full potential...
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Are you talking about Mihm, Cook and Medvedenko? Cause even Curry is a better defender than Cook and Medvedenko combined! ::)
--- Quote ---All I'm saying is that he's done amazing things in the past and if we give him a chance it could only open the door for him to do it again on a consistant basis...Get the dreezy? If we don't put faith behind him as fans, there's no way he'll pull it together and play like we know he can...
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Man, Mitch obviously was desperate when he traded for Kwame Brown. He tried to make a dollar out of 50 cents, but the truth is that the player was a bust, and nobody really wanted to give him another chance. His teammates, his coach, his GM, Michael Jordan, everybody passed on him. Nobody, man. You're talking about "amazing things" done in the past, but stop lying to yourself please. You was very disappointed about the trade too, just check them topics about the trade. Now to say we gotta give him a chance is another different thing. I'll give him a chance, obviously, since he's a Laker. I'll support him when he plays, and i'll hope for him to finally reach his full potential. But you can't deny he's struggling, and he's having big problems understanding the ABC of basketball. He's so damn raw, man. He's a 2-3 years-long project. Too much. I'd rather spend that time trying to make Bynum an All-Star. Consider Odom is struggling playing as the initiator of the triangle. Tex Winter said it, not me. He said Odom should move back to the PF spot, with George SF and with Parker as the initiator. So i think it's time to move Brown to the bench, giving him all the time he needs, but from the bench. He's not ready yet to play as a starter, expecially for a glorious team like the Lakers. We're still in need of an impact front-court player, man. So Mitch, try to make another dollar out of 50 cents, please. And try to make another trade to acquire a most appealing player, please! I'll give Brown all the time of this world, from the bench. But i ain't excited about him, and i ain't excited about his trade at all. He'll move back to the bench soon. So we wasted Butler and Atkins for a bench player, basically. Too raw to start. And who's having great problems trying to find a role for himself in this team. You called it "role player". I call it "bench player".
--- Quote ---Odom will do Odom...If his game doesn't comply with our system, we'll be forced to trade him...So lets not hate too soon...PeACe
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Finally you're realizing it. Flash: he's struggling. If he needs more time i'll give him more time. But he's struggling, and it seems like he doesn't comply with our system at all. Ask Tex.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 04:18:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on November 24, 2005, 02:03:39 PM ---Kwame is not a fast learner, true, but that doesn't mean he can't learn at all...He was traded due to his problems with the organization and his trade value was heavily down due to his catashtrophic previous season. That doesn't mean he never progressed...As I pointed out earlier, minus last season, he's shown faster improvements than Curry and Chandler...I believe he can step it up a whole lot, maybe not to superstardom, but he can without a doubt be an excellent role player and a VERY serviceable big-man. We don't even need him to be so much as an offensive force (even though he has it in him to be so), but he can provide us with a very physical and talented big man to shut down (or help shut down) the elite big men of the league on the defensive end. So far, he's been our best defensive presence out of all of our frontcourt players and he's not even close to full potential...
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Are you talking about Mihm, Cook and Medvedenko? Cause even Curry is a better defender than Cook and Medvedenko combined! ::)
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I was talking about Kwame Brown... ::)
--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 04:18:47 PM ---Man, Mitch obviously was desperate when he traded for Kwame Brown. He tried to make a dollar out of 50 cents, but the truth is that the player was a bust, and nobody really wanted to give him another chance. His teammates, his coach, his GM, Michael Jordan, everybody passed on him. Nobody, man. You're talking about "amazing things" done in the past, but stop lying to yourself please. You was very disappointed about the trade too, just check them topics about the trade. Now to say we gotta give him a chance is another different thing. I'll give him a chance, obviously, since he's a Laker. I'll support him when he plays, and i'll hope for him to finally reach his full potential. But you can't deny he's struggling, and he's having big problems understanding the ABC of basketball. He's so damn raw, man. He's a 2-3 years-long project. Too much. I'd rather spend that time trying to make Bynum an All-Star. Consider Odom is struggling playing as the initiator of the triangle. Tex Winter said it, not me. He said Odom should move back to the PF spot, with George SF and with Parker as the initiator. So i think it's time to move Brown to the bench, giving him all the time he needs, but from the bench. He's not ready yet to play as a starter, expecially for a glorious team like the Lakers. We're still in need of an impact front-court player, man. So Mitch, try to make another dollar out of 50 cents, please. And try to make another trade to acquire a most appealing player, please! I'll give Brown all the time of this world, from the bench. But i ain't excited about him, and i ain't excited about his trade at all. He'll move back to the bench soon. So we wasted Butler and Atkins for a bench player, basically. Too raw to start. And who's having great problems trying to find a role for himself in this team. You called it "role player". I call it "bench player".
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Kwame Brown IS an impact fron-court player...11/8 is not impact? He's done that for a full season, and even had a stretch of 25/15 for a little bit...he can do it again under the right conditions, that's all I'm saying...Kwame has proven he can play, now he just needs to apply that talent regularly...
--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 04:18:47 PM ---Finally you're realizing it. Flash: he's struggling. If he needs more time i'll give him more time. But he's struggling, and it seems like he doesn't comply with our system at all. Ask Tex.
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Well, I've seen both...I've seen Odom succesfuly playing the initiator role for the first 4 games of the season, and then the offense completely collapsed for the next 4...It's not like Odom CAN'T do it, it's just that slumps come a lot in his case, and he needs to eliminate that flaw and stregnthen his weaknesses...If he perfects his drive to the hoop and develops a consistant mid-range jumper, you easily have one of the NBA's top players...
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on November 24, 2005, 05:25:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 04:18:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on November 24, 2005, 02:03:39 PM ---Kwame is not a fast learner, true, but that doesn't mean he can't learn at all...He was traded due to his problems with the organization and his trade value was heavily down due to his catashtrophic previous season. That doesn't mean he never progressed...As I pointed out earlier, minus last season, he's shown faster improvements than Curry and Chandler...I believe he can step it up a whole lot, maybe not to superstardom, but he can without a doubt be an excellent role player and a VERY serviceable big-man. We don't even need him to be so much as an offensive force (even though he has it in him to be so), but he can provide us with a very physical and talented big man to shut down (or help shut down) the elite big men of the league on the defensive end. So far, he's been our best defensive presence out of all of our frontcourt players and he's not even close to full potential...
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Are you talking about Mihm, Cook and Medvedenko? Cause even Curry is a better defender than Cook and Medvedenko combined! ::)
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I was talking about Kwame Brown... ::)
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I know. But you closed the quoted post by saying "So far, he's been our best defensive presence out of all of our frontcourt players". The other frontcourt players are Cook and Medvedenko. It's not a big deal if Kwame is defending better than them, lol.
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--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 04:18:47 PM ---Man, Mitch obviously was desperate when he traded for Kwame Brown. He tried to make a dollar out of 50 cents, but the truth is that the player was a bust, and nobody really wanted to give him another chance. His teammates, his coach, his GM, Michael Jordan, everybody passed on him. Nobody, man. You're talking about "amazing things" done in the past, but stop lying to yourself please. You was very disappointed about the trade too, just check them topics about the trade. Now to say we gotta give him a chance is another different thing. I'll give him a chance, obviously, since he's a Laker. I'll support him when he plays, and i'll hope for him to finally reach his full potential. But you can't deny he's struggling, and he's having big problems understanding the ABC of basketball. He's so damn raw, man. He's a 2-3 years-long project. Too much. I'd rather spend that time trying to make Bynum an All-Star. Consider Odom is struggling playing as the initiator of the triangle. Tex Winter said it, not me. He said Odom should move back to the PF spot, with George SF and with Parker as the initiator. So i think it's time to move Brown to the bench, giving him all the time he needs, but from the bench. He's not ready yet to play as a starter, expecially for a glorious team like the Lakers. We're still in need of an impact front-court player, man. So Mitch, try to make another dollar out of 50 cents, please. And try to make another trade to acquire a most appealing player, please! I'll give Brown all the time of this world, from the bench. But i ain't excited about him, and i ain't excited about his trade at all. He'll move back to the bench soon. So we wasted Butler and Atkins for a bench player, basically. Too raw to start. And who's having great problems trying to find a role for himself in this team. You called it "role player". I call it "bench player".
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Kwame Brown IS an impact fron-court player...11/8 is not impact? He's done that for a full season, and even had a stretch of 25/15 for a little bit...he can do it again under the right conditions, that's all I'm saying...Kwame has proven he can play, now he just needs to apply that talent regularly...
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11/8 is not what i call an impact player, sorry. Decent stats, but not #1 draft pick material.
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--- Quote from: 99 free throws and won't hit one on November 24, 2005, 04:18:47 PM ---Finally you're realizing it. Flash: he's struggling. If he needs more time i'll give him more time. But he's struggling, and it seems like he doesn't comply with our system at all. Ask Tex.
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Well, I've seen both...I've seen Odom succesfuly playing the initiator role for the first 4 games of the season, and then the offense completely collapsed for the next 4...It's not like Odom CAN'T do it, it's just that slumps come a lot in his case, and he needs to eliminate that flaw and stregnthen his weaknesses...If he perfects his drive to the hoop and develops a consistant mid-range jumper, you easily have one of the NBA's top players...
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I agree. Key word is "IF". Like for Brown.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
An impact player isn't a superstar. 11/8 are nice numbers for a 21 year old PF (that was his age when he averaged those numbers)...He can play, he can average at least 11/8, if not 15/10...He just needs a chance from us.
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