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Quotetry going to a snoop & dre concert sometime. the chronic 2001 tour when they hit atlanta had to be like 90% caucasion.why don't u take a good guess why? and it's not cuz white people love hip hop so much
try going to a snoop & dre concert sometime. the chronic 2001 tour when they hit atlanta had to be like 90% caucasion.
You gotta be kidding me, i dont know one motherfucker in the hood who listens to the roots and atmosphere and all that shit, only white kids and uncle toms try n write off 50 cent fans as being primarily white, cuz they have no clue. ghetto black kids are the ones listening to 50 cent and snoop and r kelly and shit, the numbers are jsut smaller because they are a minority. stop trying to blame whitey for this, if you've been to the ghetto lately all u see is muthafuckas in big ass white tees bumpin jus a lil bit, white consumers buy everything, ghetto black kids stick to the degrading stupid shit, i thought u woulda known that since u black and had to come up and everything.
What world are you living in, man? Black people are the ones who determine what is cool and set all the trends when it comes to rap music. As someone pointed out above, black people are the ones who make artists like 50 cent and Snoop Dogg popular. Once those artists get embraced by black people, then they crossover to white people. Go to any predominately black school in America and the kids there are listening to 50 cent or Young Jeezy, not Common or The Roots. Actually, those more Afrocentric artists have a bigger following among white people.
Well I can't lie. You got me there.
What exactly is so hard and difficult about your life? Someone up above mentioned that white people don't wanna be culpable for the problem.....what the hell problem are you guys talking about? You guys have a real victimhood mentality. As for you not waiting for Uncle Sam's help, it is not the government's job to take care of you hand and foot . In a free and prosporous country like the US, everyone is responsible for themself, black or white. Whether you are successful or not depends on you and you alone.
Seriously, everyone wants to be a victim nowadays. I was watching that Russel Simmons Def Poetry show on HBO and damn near every poet was up there whining and crying about how unfair everything in life is and how oppressed they are. It was kind of comical but also a little bizarre. I am thinking Eihtball would fit right in with those clowns. Honestly, people like that don't know the first thing about being a victim or oppressed.
cuz whites are the majority! u know that, and u know whites arent responsible for shitty hip hop, just stop pickin on em, don't u have any pride? and i live in oakland, and everyone listens to shit thats on the radio never questioning it, kinda sad, but thats the state of things
I never said people in the hood aren't listening to 50 or Snoop - I know that that is EXACTLY the problem.
These companies are telling these kids, "Look at the great 50 - hustled, got shot, now a major rap star - don't you wanna be a gangsta like him, too?" As a result, the current generation is being raised on negative role models and negative stereotypes that were originally created to satisfy the demands of the white suburban kids - they've forgotten their identities and allowed corporate America to define them.
kids listening to 50 and snoop is not the problem. how old are you? any young black professional you see today from 24-32 grew up (high school, college) listening to n.w.a. and snoop. you seem to be of this same generation, so what makes you special? did you not listen to snoop, or death row or ruthless? it's not like "successful blacks" are the ones that turned their backs on n.w.a.; that simply is not the case. you can't blame the music, as what is wrong in teh black community is much bigger than the music, and it's exacerbated by the dogs and vultures that continue to prey on and exploit the community. but you can't blame the music.
i completely disagree with your conclusion. kids in the ghetto that actually see the streets better know that hustlin', slangin'...is not glamorous, and is often not rewarding. these are the kids that have older brothers or uncles or whatever that are able to directly challenge the imagery they see on tv, and if anything are better suited with dealing with these negative images. unlike these posers in the suburbs or over in europe that tend to think everything is a game. and more importantly, where is the parenting? the images you see in the media and in multimedia are not as powerful as the direction that kids take from their parents. part of life is dealing with positive and negative influences all the time, and parents and family influences are going to outweigh anything one sees on tv or hears on some album. the music isn't nearly as big a problem as your comments would make things se
On the other hand, I also listened to alternative stuff like Das EFX
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Actually, that's not how it is. Even if they do recognize how dangerous the crack game is, though, they won't necesarily care. If you're broke and desperate, you'll take serious risks to get your paper. These cats may have homies that got shot or arrested, but that doesn't mean they'll recognize the downfall of the gangsta lifestyle automatically.
Everyone I knew who hustled thought they wouldn't make the same mistakes as the people they knew who failed to come up. It's too easy to overestimate yourself - you can think, "I won't slang on this corner" or "I'll dump on these fools before they dump on me".
The music may not be a huge problem, but as I've said before, it's not helping.
"if only" was my shia...but das got pretty gangsta at times. iirc "hard like a criminal" was pretty gangsta, although just a b-side, still gangsta..."f.u. don't take it personal" - what type of message is that? "la schmoove"?!? lol. that was a hot track, but what type of message is that?
but seriously, let me make sure i understand your argument 100%- blacks are a minority- the white majority has demonstrated a preference for black music that reinforces negative stereotypes- major record labels cater to this white majority as that is where the sales are+ as a result: black music, and hip hop culture in general, is artificially imbalanced with music and content containing "self-destructive" and "negative" themes and messages. this imbalance is detrimental to the black community; and a result of basically the effects of a capitalist free market where the dominant consumer body prefers content that portrays the minority in a negative light...which would be a self-perpetuating self-reinforcing cycle per sé...if this is your argument, it's hard to blame the record labels, they are simply trying to make a buck as best they know how. it seems like the true villain is the psychology of the larger white audience and their preference for these negative images...this isn't even an overtly hostile act, more of a byproduct of the collective psyche of the white audience...
yes, but you don't need a rapper to tell you this. the drug game (especially crack) blew up way before the music. the music followed it. i think that the problem is that you have people who are "broke & desperate". you take away the rappers and they will still look to slangin'. you take away the drugs and they still look to larceny, burglaries, robberies...criminality in general. the real problem is the "broke" and especially the "desperate". drug dealing or any other form of criminality is merely an expression of that reality. we don't disagree here. what i'm saying is there is a difference between indiduals that are broke and look to criminality as an outlet, vs individuals in the sub-urbs that hear about slanging and decide to slang rather than work a summer job to buy clothes for school and have money to party. kids that work at the mall or do something basic for work, and then turn around and try slanging as easy money to augment their income. like a part time job or something.i don't think we disagree, but the reality is if you get rid of the negative imagery in the music and culture, you still have individuals that are broke and desperate. where as if you get rid of the desperation, people can much easier reject the tempation of "easy" money.
No, blacks don't determine what is cool - they are exploited for that purpose. N.W.A. never asked for their typpe of music to become a pop culture trend - Ice Cube even asked rhetorically, "Do I look like a muthafuckin role model?" Corporations know that the stereotype of a dangerous, savage, sexually charged black man turns on white consumers - it's a stereotype that has always proven to sell (remember the minstrel shows of the 19th century?) Hardcore rap gave them an opportunity to do this in the late-80s' - and they've been successful with it.And as I Represent Athletes keeps pointing out - white kids are the majority. They're the ones who buy the records because of their numbers and the fact that they have most of the money. So who do you think the lables listen to? THEM! And if the white kids want thugs (which they do), the labels give them thugs. It's that simple.
And I'm REAL sure you would know how hard my life was, wouldn't you, white boy?I don't consider myself a victim at all - I realize that I'm the only one who has the power to determine the course of my life. Nor do I expect Uncle Sam to "take care of me". On the other hand, because UNLIKE YOU, I know what I had to go through to come up, I recognize that the system is not entirely fair, and is pretty much set up to disadvantage blacks. Since I now teach at a college, I'm also quite familiar with the nature of what the average suburban white kid goes through - I can safely say that none of the kids in my class have any concept of the word "struggle". They're kids whose parents paid their tuition, who are more interested in getting wasted and stoned than doing the work I assign (and I have to give them endless extensions for reasons of "work-related stress". They've had their lives handed to them compared to me. And I doubt you're any different.Oh, and by the way, don't come at me with your argument "blacks can't be lacking advantages - we have affirmative action", which conservatives always use. Anyone who has ever needed financial aid will tell you how little that system really benefits those who use it. I was working 2 jobs on-campus to pay tuition in college, plus I was a double-major, so balancing class and long work hours was tough.
Again, I'm REAL sure your white ass would know, huh? You don't know what you're talking about. Again, YOU do not fit in with US. You should not be here. And no, I don't think you should be banned from speaking (since I know you'll accuse me of being a liberal who censors those who don't agree with me) - I just think it's downright stupid you're hanging out in a place you're not wanted.
Quote from: Eihtball on November 26, 2005, 05:31:33 PMOn the other hand, I also listened to alternative stuff like Das EFX"if only" was my shia...but das got pretty gangsta at times. iirc "hard like a criminal" was pretty gangsta, although just a b-side, still gangsta...QuoteFu-Schnickens"f.u. don't take it personal" - what type of message is that? "la schmoove"?!? lol. that was a hot track, but what type of message is that?but seriously, let me make sure i understand your argument 100%- blacks are a minority- the white majority has demonstrated a preference for black music that reinforces negative stereotypes- major record labels cater to this white majority as that is where the sales are+ as a result: black music, and hip hop culture in general, is artificially imbalanced with music and content containing "self-destructive" and "negative" themes and messages. this imbalance is detrimental to the black community; and a result of basically the effects of a capitalist free market where the dominant consumer body prefers content that portrays the minority in a negative light...which would be a self-perpetuating self-reinforcing cycle per sé...if this is your argument, it's hard to blame the record labels, they are simply trying to make a buck as best they know how. it seems like the true villain is the psychology of the larger white audience and their preference for these negative images...this isn't even an overtly hostile act, more of a byproduct of the collective psyche of the white audience...
^GODDAMN!!! you nailed this one on the head. Propz.