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What kills more black people?
nibs:
--- Quote from: I represent athletes, these are my tales. on November 26, 2005, 03:49:49 PM ---
--- Quote ---try going to a snoop & dre concert sometime. the chronic 2001 tour when they hit atlanta had to be like 90% caucasion.
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why don't u take a good guess why? and it's not cuz white people love hip hop so much
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i really don't care what white people love. and i'm not guessing
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: I represent athletes, these are my tales. on November 26, 2005, 02:31:46 PM ---You gotta be kidding me, i dont know one motherfucker in the hood who listens to the roots and atmosphere and all that shit, only white kids and uncle toms try n write off 50 cent fans as being primarily white, cuz they have no clue. ghetto black kids are the ones listening to 50 cent and snoop and r kelly and shit, the numbers are jsut smaller because they are a minority. stop trying to blame whitey for this, if you've been to the ghetto lately all u see is muthafuckas in big ass white tees bumpin jus a lil bit, white consumers buy everything, ghetto black kids stick to the degrading stupid shit, i thought u woulda known that since u black and had to come up and everything.
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OK, you kids aren't hearing me out. I never said people in the hood aren't listening to 50 or Snoop - I know that that is EXACTLY the problem. My point is that because major labels pretty much focus on putting out thug-rap to cater to the demands of white kids, many of the artists who don't fit into the mainstream mold get left out. So yes, black kids in the ghettos are pretty much listening to 50 and Snoop and rappers like them exclusively...because that's all they've got to listen to and identify with. That's what whitey-owned corporations have perverted hip-hop to become. These companies are telling these kids, "Look at the great 50 - hustled, got shot, now a major rap star - don't you wanna be a gangsta like him, too?" As a result, the current generation is being raised on negative role models and negative stereotypes that were originally created to satisfy the demands of the white suburban kids - they've forgotten their identities and allowed corporate America to define them.
Also, I dunno where you live, but when I was growing up in Pomona, everyone was trying to be the next N.W.A. or Ice-T. Of course, those were different times...that was when Eazy had just signed Big Hutch and Above The Law, and all of the local groups were trying to follow in their footsteps and get Priority to notice them, too. The last time I visited Pomona, however (about 2 years ago), cats were still listening to ATL and other non-mainstream West Coast groups. 50 has as little respect in Pomona as he does elsewhere right now.
--- Quote from: Real American on November 26, 2005, 02:54:44 PM ---What world are you living in, man? Black people are the ones who determine what is cool and set all the trends when it comes to rap music. As someone pointed out above, black people are the ones who make artists like 50 cent and Snoop Dogg popular. Once those artists get embraced by black people, then they crossover to white people. Go to any predominately black school in America and the kids there are listening to 50 cent or Young Jeezy, not Common or The Roots. Actually, those more Afrocentric artists have a bigger following among white people.
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No, blacks don't determine what is cool - they are exploited for that purpose. N.W.A. never asked for their typpe of music to become a pop culture trend - Ice Cube even asked rhetorically, "Do I look like a muthafuckin role model?" Corporations know that the stereotype of a dangerous, savage, sexually charged black man turns on white consumers - it's a stereotype that has always proven to sell (remember the minstrel shows of the 19th century?) Hardcore rap gave them an opportunity to do this in the late-80s' - and they've been successful with it.
And as I Represent Athletes keeps pointing out - white kids are the majority. They're the ones who buy the records because of their numbers and the fact that they have most of the money. So who do you think the lables listen to? THEM! And if the white kids want thugs (which they do), the labels give them thugs. It's that simple.
--- Quote from: Real American on November 26, 2005, 02:54:44 PM ---Well I can't lie. You got me there.
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Explain it to me then. You're in the wrong community. You should be on the Merle Haggard message boards or something. You have no reason to be listening to hip-hop unless you're willing to at least acknowledge that what rappers talk about has at least some legitimacy.
--- Quote from: Real American on November 26, 2005, 02:54:44 PM ---What exactly is so hard and difficult about your life? Someone up above mentioned that white people don't wanna be culpable for the problem.....what the hell problem are you guys talking about? You guys have a real victimhood mentality.
As for you not waiting for Uncle Sam's help, it is not the government's job to take care of you hand and foot . In a free and prosporous country like the US, everyone is responsible for themself, black or white. Whether you are successful or not depends on you and you alone.
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And I'm REAL sure you would know how hard my life was, wouldn't you, white boy?
I don't consider myself a victim at all - I realize that I'm the only one who has the power to determine the course of my life. Nor do I expect Uncle Sam to "take care of me". On the other hand, because UNLIKE YOU, I know what I had to go through to come up, I recognize that the system is not entirely fair, and is pretty much set up to disadvantage blacks. Since I now teach at a college, I'm also quite familiar with the nature of what the average suburban white kid goes through - I can safely say that none of the kids in my class have any concept of the word "struggle". They're kids whose parents paid their tuition, who are more interested in getting wasted and stoned than doing the work I assign (and I have to give them endless extensions for reasons of "work-related stress". They've had their lives handed to them compared to me. And I doubt you're any different.
Oh, and by the way, don't come at me with your argument "blacks can't be lacking advantages - we have affirmative action", which conservatives always use. Anyone who has ever needed financial aid will tell you how little that system really benefits those who use it. I was working 2 jobs on-campus to pay tuition in college, plus I was a double-major, so balancing class and long work hours was tough.
--- Quote from: Real American on November 26, 2005, 02:54:44 PM ---Seriously, everyone wants to be a victim nowadays. I was watching that Russel Simmons Def Poetry show on HBO and damn near every poet was up there whining and crying about how unfair everything in life is and how oppressed they are. It was kind of comical but also a little bizarre. I am thinking Eihtball would fit right in with those clowns. Honestly, people like that don't know the first thing about being a victim or oppressed.
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Again, I'm REAL sure your white ass would know, huh? You don't know what you're talking about. Again, YOU do not fit in with US. You should not be here. And no, I don't think you should be banned from speaking (since I know you'll accuse me of being a liberal who censors those who don't agree with me) - I just think it's downright stupid you're hanging out in a place you're not wanted.
J Bananas:
cuz whites are the majority! u know that, and u know whites arent responsible for shitty hip hop, just stop pickin on em, don't u have any pride? and i live in oakland, and everyone listens to shit thats on the radio never questioning it, kinda sad, but thats the state of things
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: I represent athletes, these are my tales. on November 26, 2005, 04:00:03 PM ---cuz whites are the majority! u know that, and u know whites arent responsible for shitty hip hop, just stop pickin on em, don't u have any pride? and i live in oakland, and everyone listens to shit thats on the radio never questioning it, kinda sad, but thats the state of things
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Ah, but see, you're proving my point exactly. White kids are the majority, so that means that the labels listen to them - because that's where the money is. And whites generally like only gangsta rappers (except for some college kids who like the alternative stuff), so obviously the labels listen to them. I'm not picking on white people - I am simply saying that they are the ones who have the most money and thus the greatest influence over what gets put out. The market is geared towards THEM - that is an incontrovertible fact about the way the industry works.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Eihtball on November 26, 2005, 03:59:00 PM ---I never said people in the hood aren't listening to 50 or Snoop - I know that that is EXACTLY the problem.
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kids listening to 50 and snoop is not the problem. how old are you? any young black professional you see today from 24-32 grew up (high school, college) listening to n.w.a. and snoop. you seem to be of this same generation, so what makes you special? did you not listen to snoop, or death row or ruthless? it's not like "successful blacks" are the ones that turned their backs on n.w.a.; that simply is not the case. you can't blame the music, as what is wrong in teh black community is much bigger than the music, and it's exacerbated by the dogs and vultures that continue to prey on and exploit the community. but you can't blame the music.
--- Quote ---These companies are telling these kids, "Look at the great 50 - hustled, got shot, now a major rap star - don't you wanna be a gangsta like him, too?" As a result, the current generation is being raised on negative role models and negative stereotypes that were originally created to satisfy the demands of the white suburban kids - they've forgotten their identities and allowed corporate America to define them.
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i completely disagree with your conclusion. kids in the ghetto that actually see the streets better know that hustlin', slangin'...is not glamorous, and is often not rewarding. these are the kids that have older brothers or uncles or whatever that are able to directly challenge the imagery they see on tv, and if anything are better suited with dealing with these negative images. unlike these posers in the suburbs or over in europe that tend to think everything is a game. and more importantly, where is the parenting? the images you see in the media and in multimedia are not as powerful as the direction that kids take from their parents. part of life is dealing with positive and negative influences all the time, and parents and family influences are going to outweigh anything one sees on tv or hears on some album. the music isn't nearly as big a problem as your comments would make things seem.
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