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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 10, 2005, 01:00:18 PM ---
Lol wtf yes those palestinian are so very well looked after so much so in fact that they arent allowed to actually live within Israel. To get around this problem israeli employers used to lock the workers in the work premises, but then after a series of fires struck in which all of the palestinians inside burned to death as they has no means of escape they had to rethink things. Since that the workers have been forced to endure hundreds of miles worth of travelling each night to return outside of Israels borders. Man you are so brainwashed its the palestinian workers who keep the Israel economy afloat with dirt cheap labour first the israeli government and employers treat them like scum by forcing them out of Israel each night and secondly they are paid an absolute pittance employee rights? thats a joke they have non.. Also of course your countrys economic existence depends on the sickening amount of money that the U.S syphons off its own citizens and gives to Irael as "aid" that same aid is used to purchase yet more WMD'S and to further yet more building of settlements. Yet those lying bitches i mean your government insist "we dont have weapons of mass destruction" its obviously an evil anti semetic lie! ::)
You talk about terrorism and all this other bs, Israel was created by terrorism. Zionists carrying out the massive car bombing of the King George hotel which massacred hundreds of people. Your government says yes we want a settlement whilst all the time building yet more homes and erecting a monstrosity of a wall which btw has completely wiped out some palestinian businesses because it encroaches upon their land. But your right lets ignore all this, terrorism terrorism terrorism and freedom these are the 4 words you must live by as you want to ignore the reality, as a matter of fact since you refuse to accept this is true then to continue disagreeing with you is pointless.
Yes boys lets load up those missiles take on terrorists and stop countries from having nukes because nukes are bad but for us to have them is gooood. ::)
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LMAO, mate you should pursue a career in comedy. I mean I understand that you're a misinformed propaganda victim and all, but the way you present your misconceptions is hilarious- so much vigour, so much heart...Very refreshing man, really.
95% of your post is pure disinformation and caricature that has been already refuted prior to this post, the other 5% are the Hotel Bombing which was targeted against the Brits who btw were responsible for deaths and explusions of Jews (out of which many Jews weren't let into Eretz Yisrael and found their deaths in the Holocaust), obstruction of a Jewish state and support of Pan-Arabism but why address this, right?
J @ M @ L:
confronted with facts? lol u already copied and pasted your info before... i already gave you my replies to your "information"... you zionists don't have any ground for your arguments so you go around in circles hoping you'll catch something you missed before... i don't need an essay you copied and pasted... just answer my question.. IF YOU CAN... why are palestinians denied their basic universal human right... which is the right to return to home...
i'll quote you to respond to you in the most concise way...
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 10, 2005, 01:38:47 PM ---100% of your post is pure disinformation and caricature that has been already refuted prior to this post
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I TO DA GEEZY:
My previous post included an answer to your question(and this is not the first time I adress this question) so I don't really see the problem here.
If what you need is a simplification of the stated above, I'll be happy to supply one.
Palestinians who left prior to the declaration of the state of Israel had done so, because:
1. They would be safe from the attack of the Arab countries
2.They would be safe from alleged(and imaginary) 'Zionist atrocities' that were at the time propagated by Arab preachers(At the service of Pan-Arabic interests and due to British support) that wondered from village to village with the intent to cause exodus of Palestinians.[included in my previous post and is a historical fact]
3.They weren't attached to the land.
4.They were promissed by the Arab states that soon Israel would be eliminated and they would have the option return.
[Both 3 and 4 show the wanderer-tribal nature of this population like I have noted before]
Before you start dismissing this as propaganda bullshit here's a thought- where else in the world did you see an indigenous population that left its land voluntarily? I'm not talking about exiles(Like Jewish refugees from Arab Lands that were persecuted or Jews that were exiled from Eretz Yisrael at the begining of the Jewish diaspora) I'm talking about a voluntary leave, despite cases like Haifa where they were nearly begged by Jews to stay, and in fact some did, hence an Israeli Arab population that amounts to 20% of Israel's entire population nowadays.
Thing is, 'refugees' that started flooding hotels in the Arab world were described many times as mostly young people of draft age among which were many armed people.
Now you have to remember this was after the Partition Plan, the indigenous population was allocated with most of what today is Israel, Jews had minimal possession of what today is Israel, in other words, Palestinian refugees through their departure vulantarily cleared the way for the Arab States' Armies to invade Israel, gave them a green light,thus giving up their claim to a sovereign state- instead of fighting for their right to a sovereign state by Israel's side[that accepted the partition plan-thus, the right of the locals to a sovereign state] and against the Arab states.I understand it was hard to believe that a semi-declared state with a minor military infrastructure could actualy win a war against a number of Arab Armies,it's all about taking chances, but you can't expect Israel to give up it's existence(Because that's the thought behind the 'right of return'-Jewish majority jeopardized within Israel->Israeli democracy collapses->Israel disappears) to return a favour to those who helped in an attempt to destroy it instead of taking the peaceful way out.
I hope this answers your question.
And if I may, I want to ask you one. Since anyone who felt like it could write himself down as a REFUGEE:(read)
--- Quote ---The United Nations at once provided the refugees with food, clothes, shelter, and medical attention. There was no system of identification; any Arab could register as a refugee and receive free aid. Immediately a large number of needy Arabs from various Arab countries flocked to the refugee camps, were registered, and thenceforth received their rations. Already by December 1948, when their total could not yet have reached the maximum of 425,000, the Director of the United Nations Disaster Relief Organisation, Sir Rafael Cilento, reported that he was feeding 750,000 refugees. Seven months later, the official figure had increased to a round million in the report of W. de St. Aubin, the United Nations Director of Field Operations.
The inflation of the numbers was helped not only by the understandable readiness of needy and greedy people to take advantage of free upkeep. The International Committee of the Red Cross pressed the United Nations Relief headquarters to recognise as refugees any destitute Arab in Palestine and to let him have refugee facilities in his own home. The Red Cross Committee made no effort to conceal its purpose; it claimed that it was becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate levels of need "between the refugees and the residents, as the Arab-occupied areas do not produce sufficient food or saleable goods to nourish. more than a small percentage of the resident population." If this fraudulent addition of 100,000 to the rolls for food and medical care was feasible, it would indeed be "senseless," as the Red Cross communication noted, also to force them "to abandon their homes to be able to get food as refugees." At least 100,000 ordinary Arab citizens in this category thus became refugees de luxe.
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being that descendants of those refugees aren't refugees in reality but descendants of poor people along the Arab Wrold, how can you support their right of return if you deny the Jewish right of return based on the theory of some Jews being descendants of Khazzar tribes(If we accept your claim)?
Where's the logic?
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 11, 2005, 06:37:15 AM ---
Before you start dismissing this as propaganda bullshit here's a thought- where else in the world did you see an indigenous population that left its land voluntarily? I'm not talking about exiles(Like Jewish refugees from Arab Lands that were persecuted or Jews that were exiled from Eretz Yisrael at the begining of the Jewish diaspora) I'm talking about a voluntary leave, despite cases like Haifa where they were nearly begged by Jews to stay, and in fact some did, hence an Israeli Arab population that amounts to 20% of Israel's entire population nowadays.
Thing is, 'refugees' that started flooding hotels in the Arab world were described many times as mostly young people of draft age among which were many armed people.
Now you have to remember this was after the Partition Plan, the indigenous population was allocated with most of what today is Israel, Jews had minimal possession of what today is Israel, in other words, Palestinian refugees through their departure vulantarily cleared the way for the Arab States' Armies to invade Israel, gave them a green light,thus giving up their claim to a sovereign state- instead of fighting for their right to a sovereign state by Israel's side[that accepted the partition plan-thus, the right of the locals to a sovereign state] and against the Arab states.I understand it was hard to believe that a semi-declared state with a minor military infrastructure could actualy win a war against a number of Arab Armies,it's all about taking chances, but you can't expect Israel to give up it's existence(Because that's the thought behind the 'right of return'-Jewish majority jeopardized within Israel->Israeli democracy collapses->Israel disappears) to return a favour to those who helped in an attempt to destroy it instead of taking the peaceful way out.
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lol u think they cud really fight for their land on their own? all the arab states ganged up on israel and still lost what chance did the palestinians have on their own? what chance do they still have? its no wonder they turn to terrorism and gorilla tactics. in general Jews are rich and arabs a poor plus israel is financed and supported by the west particularly america which tips the balance of any fight hugely in their favour.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 11, 2005, 06:37:15 AM ---2.They would be safe from alleged(and imaginary) 'Zionist atrocities' that were at the time propagated by Arab preachers(At the service of Pan-Arabic interests and due to British support) that wondered from village to village with the intent to cause exodus of Palestinians.[included in my previous post and is a historical fact]
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Alleged and imaginary? LOLLLL I honestly don't understand how you can even try to deny this happened when it's FACT that it did... when the Zionists themselves have admitted to it... some were even claiming that ethnic cleansing was their goal... and here you are telling me it's imaginary... it's only as imaginary as the holocaust.... seriously, you've crossed the line from ignorant to str8 up retarded
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 11, 2005, 06:37:15 AM ---being that descendants of those refugees aren't refugees in reality but descendants of poor people along the Arab Wrold, how can you support their right of return if you deny the Jewish right of return based on the theory of some Jews being descendants of Khazzar tribes(If we accept your claim)?
Where's the logic?
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Are you really this dumb? The descendants of the refugees aren't refugees in reality? LOL.. are you even trying to make sense?
"along the Arab World"... what the hell are you even saying? They are the indigenous people of the land that entails modern-day Israel and the occupied territories.. I can support their right of return to their homes because they have one... I don't support the right of European colonists taking the land of a people... Zionism didn't start in Palestine... it wasn't a movement among the indigenous people... it started in Europe... it was European Jews who came and did what they did... just because they're of the same religion as the 5-10% of the indigenous population gives them the right to "RETURN" (they were never there to begin with)? Or wait... thousands of years ago, Jews ruled that land... and since the European Jews' ancestors converted to Judaism they now have the right to claim the land as theirs since they're of the same religion and God gave them the land...
You know what... at least show some respect by stepping your game up...I feel like Jordan being challenged by some chump on the streets who's airballing the whole time
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