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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
J @ M @ L:
All I gotta do is post quotes from people like Benny Morris... what's that gonna prove?
If you had any common sense, you would've been able to see that it's the Zionists that came and caused all this... the Palestinians didn't come from anywhere... they were living there... your European ancestors somehow felt they had a claim to the land.
King Tech Quadafi:
LOL @ I to the geezy quoting outright lies and the same falsehoods and fabrications the jewish community has been spreading for decades
this guy is too brainwashed to EVER get it....israelis are stupidly nationalistic in the same veins as americans
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 27, 2005, 01:56:53 PM ---Was Arab opposition to the arrival of Zionists based on inherent anti-Semitism or a real sense of danger to their community?
"The aim of the [Jewish National] Fund was ‘to redeem the land of Palestine as the inalienable possession of the Jewish people.'...As early as 1891, Zionist leader Ahad Ha'am wrote that the Arabs "understood very well what we were doing and what we were aiming at'...[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly'...At various locations in northern Palestine Arab farmers refused to move from land the Fund purchased from absentee owners, and the Turkish authorities, at the Fund's request, evicted them...The indigenous Jews of Palestine also reacted negatively to Zionism. They did not see the need for a Jewish state in Palestine and did not want to exacerbate relations with the Arabs." John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
Inherent anti-Semitism? — continued
"Before the 20th century, most Jews in Palestine belonged to old Yishuv, or community, that had settled more for religious than for political reasons. There was little if any conflict between them and the Arab population. Tensions began after the first Zionist settlers arrived in the 1880's...when [they] purchased land from absentee Arab owners, leading to dispossession of the peasants who had cultivated it." Don Peretz, "The Arab-Israeli Dispute."
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Lies Tech? The fact you'd reckon pure FACTS that don't suit your view as LIES while disregarding blatant lies lol...aight, look at this...If you read that article I brought a while back about inaccuracies in matterial written on this conflict you could actually notice this. You guys should check the glowy part on the first paragraph and then the glowy part on the second paragraph(both out of Jamal's article).
notice:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 23, 2005, 11:41:12 AM --- Nathan Birnbaum wrote "Selbstemanzipation" (Self-Emancipation) in 1890.... this is the first time he or anyone for that matter had used the word Zionism.
LOLLLL now just shut the fuck up
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Notice any problem with the order of events?
these Zionists in the 1880's predated Theodore Herzel's "political role" as the "catalyst" of Zionism(or whom Jamal's article calls the founder of Zionism), and Ehad Haam's statement. They even predated the formal term of Zionism, even Jamal knowes that! So how could their actions be based on what Theodore Herzel said only years later? and how could that make for Propaganda? lol This otherwise well written article (with influences of the radical Israeli left wing "Gush Shalom"- people who live in Israel and think it shouldn't exist) would be perfect Propaganda if it didn't contradict itself.
J @ M @ L:
LMAO.. you have just proven how retarded you are... maybe it's not ignorance on your behalf as I had assumed, but lack of common sense...
It said Zionists first settled the land in the 1880's.
It said that the TERM Zionism was first used in 1890.
Now I know this may be very difficult to understand, but something can exist before a name is ascribed to it... the reason it says "Zionists settled in the 1880's" may confuse you because you will think "OMG how can they settle in the 1880's if they didn't even exist until 1890.. Jamal must be a liar"... but then I'll come here and tell you how dumb you are, and that the term Zionist used in the present to refer to those people back then is a possibility.. yeah, I know this is unbelievable, but it's true. People can hold on to a certain set of beliefs and ideologies before a name is ascribed... I'm really hoping you understand this because if you don't and try to justify your stupidity, I'm going to pity you even more than I already do.
Let's see how this works... "America didn't exist before it was named".
LOL get the fuck outta here... I've been arguing with you this whole time?
LOLL start thinking on your own chump... a bunch of propaganda quotes aren't going to help you or your thinking process... read, educate yourself, and use common sense, then come back and try talking to me, son.
Just to be fair, since I'm such a nice guy and don't want to make a complete fool out of you, if that's still possible... I'll point out that your stupid theory does prove correct on one point... Israel didn't exist before 1948. :)
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 27, 2005, 01:56:53 PM ---Was Arab opposition to the arrival of Zionists based on inherent anti-Semitism or a real sense of danger to their community?
[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly'
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I never said they didn't exist you did, should I remind you?
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 22, 2005, 11:37:24 AM ---Zionism didn't actually become a movement until the late 19th century.
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--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 23, 2005, 11:41:12 AM ---Theodor Herzl was one of the first of the movement
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In fact, it is their existence prior to Herzel's statements that reinforce my point. In your reply you suddenly decided to disregard(yet again) the context in which Herzel's quote was used in your article, what was the question your article had raised and what point had been made, since you're having hard time here I'll simplefy : "There was a real sence of danger to the Arab community due to Zionism, look what the 'founder of Zionism' had to say about them" when it is evident that the Zionist settlers arrived prior to these statements, and operated years before the 'reason to the real sence of danger' (according to the article) even appeared. Meaning there are two BLATANT LIES HERE.
correction:
1.Herzel was not the founder of Zionism 2.These statements had no affect due to the already existing Zionist movement in Eretz Yisrael years before these statements were made.
And much later(Years after Herzel's statement):
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Emir Faisal also saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmann presented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:
The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement....We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home....We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added).
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p.s I'm not even talking about some writer speaking on behalf of the Jewish community in Palestine as if it was a unanimous voice or about the negative portrayal of eviction of people from land that wasn't theirs to begin with ("purchased from absentee owners"), purchased by Zionists.
While writing Judenstaat Herzel knew very little about the situation in Eretz Yisrael or the already active Zionist movement in Europe, it's a fact. A utopian novelist, a spokesman for Zionism, but he never had any practical impact on the Zionist activity in Eretz Yisrael.Herzel wasn't the founder of Zionism(talking about lies). On this note, the writer of this article could've talked about "Altneuland" an enlightened society Herzel envisioned in the future Jewish state where all religions lived side by side in harmony but that wouldn't have served the writer's needs as well .
and as for his followers:
"Land with no people"- Land that did not belong to a people
not a land without people( as in Human Beings, persons) living on it.
Quite an ambiguous statement and that's why I think it is inaccurrate( since it may be taken both ways).
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