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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
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--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 29, 2005, 06:56:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 27, 2005, 01:56:53 PM ---Was Arab opposition to the arrival of Zionists based on inherent anti-Semitism or a real sense of danger to their community?
[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly'
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I never said they didn't exist you did, should I remind you?
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 22, 2005, 11:37:24 AM ---Zionism didn't actually become a movement until the late 19th century.
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--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 23, 2005, 11:41:12 AM ---Theodor Herzl was one of the first of the movement
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In fact, it is their existence prior to Herzel's statements that reinforce my point. In your reply you suddenly decided to disregard(yet again) the context in which Herzel's quote was used in your article, what was the question your article had raised and what point had been made, since you're having hard time here I'll simplefy : "There was a real sence of danger to the Arab community due to Zionism, look what the 'founder of Zionism' had to say about them" when it is evident that the Zionist settlers arrived prior to these statements, and operated years before the 'reason to the real sence of danger' (according to the article) even appeared. Meaning there are two BLATANT LIES HERE.
correction:
1.Herzel was not the founder of Zionism 2.These statements had no affect due to the already existing Zionist movement in Eretz Yisrael years before these statements were made.
And much later(Years after Herzel's statement):
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Emir Faisal also saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmann presented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:
The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement....We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home....We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added).
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p.s I'm not even talking about some writer speaking on behalf of the Jewish community in Palestine as if it was a unanimous voice or about the negative portrayal of eviction of people from land that wasn't theirs to begin with ("purchased from absentee owners"), purchased by Zionists.
While writing Judenstaat Herzel knew very little about the situation in Eretz Yisrael or the already active Zionist movement in Europe, it's a fact. A utopian novelist, a spokesman for Zionism, but he never had any practical impact on the Zionist activity in Eretz Yisrael.Herzel wasn't the founder of Zionism(talking about lies). On this note, the writer of this article could've talked about "Altneuland" an enlightened society Herzel envisioned in the future Jewish state where all religions lived side by side in harmony but that wouldn't have served the writer's needs as well .
and as for his followers:
"Land with no people"- Land that did not belong to a people
not a land without people( as in Human Beings, persons) living on it.
Quite an ambiguous statement and that's why I think it is inaccurrate( since it may be taken both ways).
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YOU ARE RETARDED.
People hold on to a set of beliefs and ideologies.
In the case of Zionism, there was some "settlers" prior to the ascription of the name to the movement, and prior to there being organizations that promote these ideologies.
There isn't "one founder" of Zionist ideology... Herzl is considered by some to be one of the forerunners in the movement, and others do consider him the founder... but in the sense of making it an organized movement.
Another myth... not all of the land was purchased... in 1948, the Zionists owned barely about 6% of the land of Palestine.. there was a continue of illegal "buying" within the 65% of the total area restricted to Arabs... and after Israel announced its terrorist statehood, there were laws passed to take more Arab land... by calling those that left before a certain date "absentee landlords" so Israel can take the land, and those people don't have a right to return... and we won't even get into the ethnic cleansing... that's beside the point... I don't even need to say much else... you already fucked yourself.
LOL @ purchased from absentee owners.... HOW WAS IT PURCHASED IF THE OWNERS WEREN'T THERE? YOU FUCKING TOOL... The fucking Zionist terrorists started going around burning villages... and people fled out of fear.. and then Israel is like "oh well looks like they're not coming back, the land is ours"...
and I'm still LMAO @ your retarded ass... "these Zionists in the 1880's predated Theodore Herzel's "political role" as the "catalyst" of Zionism(or whom Jamal's article calls the founder of Zionism), and Ehad Haam's statement. They even predated the formal term of Zionism, even Jamal knowes that! So how could their actions be based on what Theodore Herzel said only years later?"
You're one of the dumbest fuckers alive
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 29, 2005, 11:47:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fallujah Tech on November 29, 2005, 10:22:33 AM ---^ aww shut up
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Truth tickles, my man. ;)
And I will in fact shut up if that's what you guys want, you can go on reinforcing each others misconceptions for as long as you like, I think everybody is entitled to an opinion(far fetched as it may be), after all we're not in Iran,Syria and neither are we in the Palestinian Autonomy-no one is going to kill you because of your views (maybe only except for those whom you're defending) unlike the many Muslims who died because they tried to oppose the totalitarian regimes under which they lived ,so please, don't be bothered by my occasional comments, keep going.
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Since you care about Muslims who have died.. don't forget the many Muslims that died fighting the Zionist colonialist terrorists... and still to this day die fighting this occupation...
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 29, 2005, 06:56:21 AM ---I never said they didn't exist you did, should I remind you?
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 22, 2005, 11:37:24 AM ---Zionism didn't actually become a movement until the late 19th century.
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--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 23, 2005, 11:41:12 AM ---Theodor Herzl was one of the first of the movement
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Herzl = late 19th century.
1880s and 1890s both = 19th century.
LOLLL... YOU RETARD.
In fact, it is their existence prior to Herzel's statements that reinforce my point. In your reply you suddenly decided to disregard(yet again) the context in which Herzel's quote was used in your article, what was the question your article had raised and what point had been made, since you're having hard time here I'll simplefy : "There was a real sence of danger to the Arab community due to Zionism, look what the 'founder of Zionism' had to say about them" when it is evident that the Zionist settlers arrived prior to these statements, and operated years before the 'reason to the real sence of danger' (according to the article) even appeared. Meaning there are two BLATANT LIES HERE.
correction:
1.Herzel was not the founder of Zionism 2.These statements had no affect due to the already existing Zionist movement in Eretz Yisrael years before these statements were made.
Their existence... prior to Herzl making it an organized movement. Are you really this fucking dumb? The ideology already existed... the beliefs in this mission were already there... it was just organized into a movement a little later... I honestly can't believe you're this dumb. So all you're trying to tell me is that there was already a terrorist Zionist movement before Herzl? What did I say? LOL... is that what you're arguing? You're really out of shit to say after you fucked yourself in that other post huh? LOLLLL poor thing... I'm really feeling sorry for you...
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It's also understandable.. how after you fucked yourself with that retarded shit... you try to bring up new points over and over again... dancing in circles... but you keep tripping and falling trying to dosie-doe with me.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 26, 2005, 04:17:00 AM ---many Palestinians realize they would be better off under Israeli administration than in a PLO-ruled state, but they cannot speak out, fearing for their lives or those of their children. "At least in Israel, an Arab can have a new car and be sure he will not be stopped by the police and told to hand it over because it is needed for the state. That happens under Arafat."
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