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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
Kassem:
Let's not the lavon affair.
In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.
Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites". But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing. Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named "Operation Susannah."
It is therefore a fact that Israel has a prior history of setting off bombs with the intent to blame Arabs for them.
Kassem:
Various Israeli media, such as Jerusalem Post and Ha'aretz (citing Reuters as the source) report that the Israeli government has honored several Egyptian Jews who were involved in spying and sabotage in Egypt in the 1950s.
This incident is known as the Lavon Affair, and extensive material on the incident can be found in Israel and Terror in Egypt.
Briefly stated, a group of Jews in Egypt plotted in 1954 to bomb several U.S. and British interests, so as to undermine the newly formed government by the Free Officers coupe d'etat. The blame would fall on Egyptians and cause the British to remain in the Suez Canal area, thus acting a buffer between Egypt and Israel
Note how the incident was denied at the time, so Israel can claim the high moral ground, but later, little by little, the details showed that these men were trained by the Israeli Defense Forces, and Mossad's involvement was acknowledged.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 03, 2005, 05:11:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 02, 2005, 10:08:19 AM --- I'm not gonna respond anymore because you're no better than people who deny the Holocaust and I'll leave you with: You're a tool, and I pity you.
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I'm gonna level with you, doesn't^ make you seem any more credible when you keep coming back!
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I come back because you say something so dumb and easy to refute with facts, that I just have to point your stupidities out. For example, yes the Zionists weren't fond of the mandates system throughout the whole time, but it was only due to the mandates system that they were able to get a "homeland"... which is why they organized themselves accordingly in order to use the mandates system to their benefit... however, as things progressed, they viewed the mandates system as an obstacle to their goals and that's when attacks were carried out. If you don't know that... and can't accept facts.... then so be it. I'm not here to persuade you, I'm just presenting facts... I know you may not be used to these foreign things called facts, living in Israel and all.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 03, 2005, 08:13:47 PM ---as things progressed, they viewed the mandates system as an obstacle to their goals and that's when attacks were carried out.
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Yet it seems like in your post regarding this^ you chose to omit this fact(promissing not to come back so you wouldn't have to admit it), while I stated it, and somehow I'm the one whose stupidity needs to be pointed out. :D lol
You've just proven that if it wasn't for my remark you wouldn't even mention the fact which lead to the creation of Israel because it didn't serve your portrayal of "The Colonialist Zionism",
Brainwashed?- I think so, this is not the first time you choose to ignore facts that don't suit your views.
There's a difference between using a bad situation to your benefit and being fond of it, and point is, that the locals for centuries did neither. Fact is that the Palestinian People is a byproduct of Zionism and you can't help but ignoring this since it refutes your entire misconception of the freedom seeking peasants who, for some reason, didn't even see a way out untill Jews came into the area to seek national freedom.
P.S You keep contradicting yourself with everything you say.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 03, 2005, 12:56:22 PM ---
Your attempts to dumb down the discussions with a moronic reply about E.U and UFOS only furher underlines the level to which you have been brainwashed into total denial. Tony Blair when interviewed by the Times newspaper said no we arent going to stop supplying Israel with planes, if we stop supplying them it wont change anything someone else will supply them instead.
Britain is part of the EU!
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I have great respect for people who try to delegitemize Israel while completely ignoring the legitimacy with which they tend to treat Arab Autocracies and terrorism, it is a sign of determination, I respect determination. Even when determination is harmfull it determines and defines people's agendas. I want you to think of something here, kind of a continuation to my debate with Jamal, you need to see whose interests are being served significantly more when a suicide bomber commits a premeditated murder of civilians, and whose interests are being served significantly more when the IDF unintentionally kills a civilian? Who gains from what?-You'll find it is the same side that gains in both cases. Jamal said that Jews were fond of the mandates mainly bcause they knew how to use a crappy situation to their favour, and now, when the Palestinian leadership does it, Jamal, and you my friend, don't even bother to ask yourselves "doesn't something smell fishy here?" OR "How come murder of Israelis is a catalyst of political profit for the Palestinian leadership and how come ,death of Palestinians, is a P.R boost for the Palestinian Leadership that also assists in promotion of political goals?" >Israel looses both ways because death of Israelis due to terrorist acts does absolutely no good neither to its democratically elected leadership nor to its population and its responses to terrorism also usually add up an international delegitimization of its right for self-defence due to occasional accidents.
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