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Was Arab opposition to the arrival of Zionists based on inherent anti-Semitism or a real sense of danger to their community?“The aim of the [Jewish National] Fund was ‘to redeem the land of Palestine as the inalienable possession of the Jewish people.’...As early as 1891, Zionist leader Ahad Ha’am wrote that the Arabs “understood very well what we were doing and what we were aiming at’...[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly’...At various locations in northern Palestine Arab farmers refused to move from land the Fund purchased from absentee owners, and the Turkish authorities, at the Fund’s request, evicted them...The indigenous Jews of Palestine also reacted negatively to Zionism. They did not see the need for a Jewish state in Palestine and did not want to exacerbate relations with the Arabs.” John Quigley, “Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice.”Inherent anti-Semitism? — continued“Before the 20th century, most Jews in Palestine belonged to old Yishuv, or community, that had settled more for religious than for political reasons. There was little if any conflict between them and the Arab population. Tensions began after the first Zionist settlers arrived in the 1880’s...when [they] purchased land from absentee Arab owners, leading to dispossession of the peasants who had cultivated it.” Don Peretz, “The Arab-Israeli Dispute.”
Nathan Birnbaum wrote "Selbstemanzipation" (Self-Emancipation) in 1890.... this is the first time he or anyone for that matter had used the word Zionism. LOLLLL now just shut the fuck up
Was Arab opposition to the arrival of Zionists based on inherent anti-Semitism or a real sense of danger to their community?[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly’
Zionism didn't actually become a movement until the late 19th century.
Theodor Herzl was one of the first of the movement
QuoteEmir Faisal also saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmann presented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement....We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home....We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added).
Im starting to really hate them.
^ aww shut up
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 27, 2005, 01:56:53 PMWas Arab opposition to the arrival of Zionists based on inherent anti-Semitism or a real sense of danger to their community?[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly’I never said they didn't exist you did, should I remind you?Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 22, 2005, 11:37:24 AMZionism didn't actually become a movement until the late 19th century.Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 23, 2005, 11:41:12 AMTheodor Herzl was one of the first of the movement In fact, it is their existence prior to Herzel's statements that reinforce my point. In your reply you suddenly decided to disregard(yet again) the context in which Herzel's quote was used in your article, what was the question your article had raised and what point had been made, since you're having hard time here I'll simplefy : "There was a real sence of danger to the Arab community due to Zionism, look what the 'founder of Zionism' had to say about them" when it is evident that the Zionist settlers arrived prior to these statements, and operated years before the 'reason to the real sence of danger' (according to the article) even appeared. Meaning there are two BLATANT LIES HERE.correction:1.Herzel was not the founder of Zionism 2.These statements had no affect due to the already existing Zionist movement in Eretz Yisrael years before these statements were made.And much later(Years after Herzel's statement):QuoteQuoteEmir Faisal also saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmann presented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement....We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home....We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added). p.s I'm not even talking about some writer speaking on behalf of the Jewish community in Palestine as if it was a unanimous voice or about the negative portrayal of eviction of people from land that wasn't theirs to begin with ("purchased from absentee owners"), purchased by Zionists.While writing Judenstaat Herzel knew very little about the situation in Eretz Yisrael or the already active Zionist movement in Europe, it's a fact. A utopian novelist, a spokesman for Zionism, but he never had any practical impact on the Zionist activity in Eretz Yisrael.Herzel wasn't the founder of Zionism(talking about lies). On this note, the writer of this article could've talked about "Altneuland" an enlightened society Herzel envisioned in the future Jewish state where all religions lived side by side in harmony but that wouldn't have served the writer's needs as well .and as for his followers: "Land with no people"- Land that did not belong to a people not a land without people( as in Human Beings, persons) living on it.Quite an ambiguous statement and that's why I think it is inaccurrate( since it may be taken both ways).
Quote from: Fallujah Tech on November 29, 2005, 10:22:33 AM^ aww shut upTruth tickles, my man. And I will in fact shut up if that's what you guys want, you can go on reinforcing each others misconceptions for as long as you like, I think everybody is entitled to an opinion(far fetched as it may be), after all we're not in Iran,Syria and neither are we in the Palestinian Autonomy-no one is going to kill you because of your views (maybe only except for those whom you're defending) unlike the many Muslims who died because they tried to oppose the totalitarian regimes under which they lived ,so please, don't be bothered by my occasional comments, keep going.
I never said they didn't exist you did, should I remind you?Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 22, 2005, 11:37:24 AMZionism didn't actually become a movement until the late 19th century.Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 23, 2005, 11:41:12 AMTheodor Herzl was one of the first of the movement Herzl = late 19th century.1880s and 1890s both = 19th century.LOLLL... YOU RETARD.In fact, it is their existence prior to Herzel's statements that reinforce my point. In your reply you suddenly decided to disregard(yet again) the context in which Herzel's quote was used in your article, what was the question your article had raised and what point had been made, since you're having hard time here I'll simplefy : "There was a real sence of danger to the Arab community due to Zionism, look what the 'founder of Zionism' had to say about them" when it is evident that the Zionist settlers arrived prior to these statements, and operated years before the 'reason to the real sence of danger' (according to the article) even appeared. Meaning there are two BLATANT LIES HERE.correction:1.Herzel was not the founder of Zionism 2.These statements had no affect due to the already existing Zionist movement in Eretz Yisrael years before these statements were made.Their existence... prior to Herzl making it an organized movement. Are you really this fucking dumb? The ideology already existed... the beliefs in this mission were already there... it was just organized into a movement a little later... I honestly can't believe you're this dumb. So all you're trying to tell me is that there was already a terrorist Zionist movement before Herzl? What did I say? LOL... is that what you're arguing? You're really out of shit to say after you fucked yourself in that other post huh? LOLLLL poor thing... I'm really feeling sorry for you...
many Palestinians realize they would be better off under Israeli administration than in a PLO-ruled state, but they cannot speak out, fearing for their lives or those of their children. "At least in Israel, an Arab can have a new car and be sure he will not be stopped by the police and told to hand it over because it is needed for the state. That happens under Arafat."