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President of Iran says Israel should be moved to Europe.....
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 20, 2005, 02:52:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 20, 2005, 02:33:55 PM --- You're right, I can't trace it, nor can I determine how many of them "intermixed" with Jews (Two Jews mixing = intermix?... LOL.. buy yourself a dictionary bitch)....
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Exactly...so why the fuck mention it if it has no point? Since you don't know I'll let you in on a little fact, a convert to Judasim according to the Halacha is not a Jew but a Gior(from the word Giur-convertion to Judaism) an intermix between a semite Jew and a non semite Gior still makes their offspring a descendant of an exiled Jew, or are you assuming that the original Jews simply died out? lost your point mate ;)
p.s Seems like you forgot that article you brought dicussing the Palestinian "Canaanite Origin" among other points that came to reinforce Palestinian entitlement. And if we're basing this on who was where first, Jews were on this land long before Arabs left the Arab peninsula in their conquest in the name of Islam that also didn't exist at the time.
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It does have a point because it proves you wrong, and further proves that you're a brainwashed liar.
Fact is that a majority of the Jews today are Ashkenazi Jews.
Fact is that the Khazars converted to Judaism, and so did most of the people living in the lands under their control.
Fact is that a certain proportion of today's Ashkenazi Jews are therefore descendant of the converted Khazars... not those who were exiled. 1+1=2.
That's another fact,,, 1+1=2. If you want to argue that, go ahead...
I didn't lose my point, you lost your mind and any common sense you might have had.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 20, 2005, 03:05:57 PM ---Fact is that a certain proportion of today's Ashkenazi Jews are therefore descendant of the converted Khazars... not those who were exiled. 1+1=2.
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If you accept that Khazzar Giors didn't intermix with Semite(original) Jews(the only way how their descendants wouldn't qualify as descendants of exiled Jews) then Khazzars could have been easily traced, since you agree they can not be traced nowadays you have to accept that at least a portion(if not all) of Khazzar Giors intermixed with Jews making their offsprings descendants of those who were exiled as well. Since you can't bring figures and facts regarding the percentage of Khazar Giors passing for descendants of exiled Jews and since you have no proof the original Jews died out, in addition to the fact Jews were persecuted and segregated without anyone doing research on their genealogy while basing it on Jews (as a people) not belonging anywhere else, this theory is a tautology with the propagnada purpose of undermining Jewish claim to the Jewish Ancient Homeland or to any national sovereignty(It's not that Khazzars didn't convert, it simply has no impact on Jewish entitlement to the land ), HENCE, has no point.
And here's some info on the validity( since you again seem to be pulling shit out of your ass) of this theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar
P.S FACT- Genetic researches on Ashkenazi Jews don't show any Khazar bloodline[ WHILE showing clear middle eastern(semite) origin-check the link] so it is possible Khazzars were simply lost at the ebb of their empire. It's too vague to base an argument, as for lack of Jewish entitlement, on it...talk about assumptions,propaganda and lies.
J @ M @ L:
See here's the thing...
I never stated that the "original Jews died out".
All I was doing is showing you that there are entire populations that have since converted to Judaism, which is what you were trying to deny. If they mixed or not... that's what you brought up, hence you have no point.
Look, I'll even use your wikipedia source to show you that once again I'm right.
"While these studies also show that some Ashkenazim have non-Jewish, Eastern European ancestors, they contradict claims that the Ashkenazim were primarily descended from Khazars."
Now let's look at what I said earlier... just to show you that I know what I'm talking about... that I present nothing but facts... and that you keep misinterpreting, and making assumptions based on your ignorance and lack of knowledge.
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 20, 2005, 02:33:55 PM ---3. There is no debate on whether the Khazar population converted to Judaism or not. The only thing that's debated is if Ashkenazi Jews are PRIMARILY descendant of the Khazars.... meaning it is fact that a certain proportion are.... meaning I'm right, you're wrong... as always.
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I even had it capitalized for you the first time... either you have trouble comprehending, or you simply choose to ignore this... which is what you usually do when you're faced with the fact that you're undeniably full of shit.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 21, 2005, 08:30:43 AM ---"While these studies also show that some Ashkenazim have non-Jewish, Eastern European ancestors, they contradict claims that the Ashkenazim were primarily descended from Khazars."
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It's funny how you're flip-floping man trying to rely on people not noticing how you've stepped on your own toes, you've quoted exactly what reinforces my point.
Check out what you said before:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 20, 2005, 03:05:57 PM ---Fact is that a certain proportion of today's Ashkenazi Jews are therefore descendant of the converted Khazars... not those who were exiled. 1+1=2.
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Here's what the full quote sayes:
--- Quote ---Current genetic studies show that "Jewish Y-DNA tends to come from the Middle East, and... studies that take into account mtDNA show that many Jewish populations are related to neighboring non-Jewish groups maternally". While these studies also show that some Ashkenazim have non-Jewish, Eastern European ancestors, they contradict claims that the Ashkenazim were primarily descended from Khazars.
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Now look what I said:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 21, 2005, 06:37:34 AM ---Genetic researches on Ashkenazi Jews don't show any Khazar bloodline
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CLOWN.
Meaning that even Jews who maternally weren't semite still didn't have any Khazar traces.
J @ M @ L:
I'm gonna show you how retarded you really are. I think your problem is you don't even know the definitions of words, and therefore can't fully comprehend what these things mean in English.
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 21, 2005, 08:46:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 21, 2005, 08:30:43 AM ---"While these studies also show that some Ashkenazim have non-Jewish, Eastern European ancestors, they contradict claims that the Ashkenazim were primarily descended from Khazars."
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THEY CONTRADICT CLAIMS THAT THEY WERE PRIMARILY DESCENDED FROM KHAZARS... that means that a PROPORTION of them are.
It's funny how you're flip-floping man trying to rely on people not noticing how you've stepped on your own toes, you've quoted exactly what reinforces my point.
Check out what you said before:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 20, 2005, 03:05:57 PM ---Fact is that a certain proportion of today's Ashkenazi Jews are therefore descendant of the converted Khazars... not those who were exiled. 1+1=2.
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Here's what the full quote sayes:
--- Quote ---Current genetic studies show that "Jewish Y-DNA tends to come from the Middle East, and... studies that take into account mtDNA show that many Jewish populations are related to neighboring non-Jewish groups maternally". While these studies also show that some Ashkenazim have non-Jewish, Eastern European ancestors, they contradict claims that the Ashkenazim were
primarily descended from Khazars.
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Now look what I said:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 21, 2005, 06:37:34 AM ---Genetic researches on Ashkenazi Jews don't show any Khazar bloodline
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CLOWN.
This you got right... you are a fucking clown... you don't know the definition of the word fact, and now you don't even know what the fuck the word primarily means... and you're gonna try to step to a boss... you're not even close to being on my level..
Meaning that even Jews who maternally weren't semite still didn't have any Khazar traces.
Your original statement was: "Genetic researches on Ashkenazi Jews don't show any Khazar bloodline."
NOW YOU GOT OWNED.
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