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President of Iran says Israel should be moved to Europe.....
Real American:
I to The Geezy won this debate.
virtuoso:
Amen to that Fallujah, which is exactly why I am no longer responding directly to what he says
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 12, 2005, 10:43:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 12, 2005, 04:30:52 AM ---Let me ask you one simple question... if Zionist leaders have admitted to carrying out the discussed acts... then why do you insist that those things never happened? why do you try to defend lies when those who committed the acts have already admitted to them? it honestly makes no sense.. i don't know if you're trying to imply that those guys lied when they said those things and only said them just to simply say them or what...
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Many people on both sides died-fact.It doesn't mean you can make such a genralization. By saying "The Palestinian People Are Victims Of Zionism" you're not saying "Large numbers of Palestinians were killed throughout the conflict" you're saying "Every Palestinian is a victim of Zionism" which is untrue and is in fact propaganda because there are plenty of Palestinians who thrive on the Zionist enterprise.
Here let's use logic:
If you accept- The Palestinian People are victims of Zionism
knowing that:
20% of Israel's (Israel-Zionist enterprise) population is Palestinian and lives 100s of times better the Arabs in the Palestinian Autonomy
-It is immediately disproved.
Although every Palestinian, without exception, is a byproduct of Zionism.
No Zionism=No Palestinians
And it is wierd that someone who is willing to make such a generalization is not making it when it comes to Palestinians being victims of their leadership....
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The fact that Palestinian nationalism was a byproduct of Zionism makes a difference to you? The fact that they're better off in Israel means there haven't been victims?
Let's use the I Geezy approach...
Blacks have never been victims in America because they're way better off here now than they would ever have been if we didn't bring their ancestors over as slaves.
Seriously... it's as easy as 1+1... you're a tool.
Kassem:
i gave up on the two ,everytime geazy is confronted with facts he just changes the topic.it's hard for him to realise he is living in a country that based on terrorism.a lost kid in a bug world,i feel sorry for him.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 13, 2005, 07:26:26 AM ---Blacks have never been victims in America because they're way better off here now than they would ever have been if we didn't bring their ancestors over as slaves.
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You got it,
I can't even say the Jewish People had been a victim to anti-semitism as long as there is one Jew who hadn't been a victim to anti-semitism. I can say however that many Jews had been victims to anti-semitism.
The moment there is one exceptional, the entire generalization collapses. I wouldn't oppose saying something like "Many Palestinians/Arabs were killed" because it is a fact just like "Many Israelis/Jews were killed" but saying that an entire PEOPLE had been victim to something is an ungrounded generalization and a mean of propaganda when used to side something politically.
And again, if you accept that one Palestinian dead due to an Israeli\Zionist action makes the entire Palestinian People a victim of Zionsim I'm surprised you don't think one Palestinian dead due to a Palestinian action makes the entire Palestinian People a victim of the Palestinian Leadership.
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