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President of Iran says Israel should be moved to Europe.....
J @ M @ L:
First, I suggest you look up the definition of "victim".
Then, you need to understand that I'm not implying that the Zionists carried out genocide or anything like that... but have the Palestinian people been victims of Zionism? Yeah, of course... undeniably so. In the same way that innocent Israelis have died because of Palestinian terrorists... so it wouldn't be wrong to state that "Israelis have been victims of Palestinian terrorism". It's true. Does it have to mean that the entire Israeli "PEOPLE" is victim? No, but there definitely have been those affected.. victims.
My argument was that Palestinians have been victims of Zionism. You said no. I have proven that they have. I am right. You are wrong. If you want to incorporate other aspects into the argument, feel free to do so, but it won't change the fact that my argument stands correct.
Putting 2 and 2 together seems to be quite a difficult task for you. Now please go and play with CWalker & Co. because they seem to be down at your level... you can't hang with me
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 13, 2005, 08:14:13 AM ---I am right.
You are wrong.
Now please go and play with CWalker & Co. because they seem to be down at your level... you can't hang with me
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--- Quote from: Kassem on December 13, 2005, 07:41:13 AM ---i gave up on the two ,everytime geazy is confronted with facts he just changes the topic.
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I guess we can all see now who's on topic and who's off.Some people seem to be playing some internet-ego games instead of adressing the issue.
Now, more to the point.
May I remind you:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 13, 2005, 08:14:13 AM ---but have the Palestinian people been victims of Zionism? Yeah, of course...
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Thing is you can not logically use the term Palestinian People because it is a generalization that is ungrounded(Being that 1.The term itself is a product of Zionism 2. There are Palestinians who thrive on Zionism) and it is in fact as easy as 2+2, unlike the conflict itself.
In your case, it has been used to portray 'Zionism' (or Jewish claim to the land) as unjust through an exaggeration of reality(lie\propaganda) and not through logic.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 13, 2005, 08:30:03 AM ---Thing is you can not logically use the term Palestinian People because it is a generalization that is ungrounded(Being that 1.The term itself is a product of Zionism 2. There are Palestinians who thrive on Zionism) and it is in fact as easy as 2+2, unlike the conflict itself.
In your case, it has been used to portray 'Zionism' (or Jewish claim to the land) as unjust through an exaggeration of reality(lie\propaganda) and not through logic.
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What the fuck does the term have to do with them being victims? I know Israelis forget this sometimes, but they are still people, no matter what you guys may think of them. If there are some Palestinians who "thrive" on Zionism, does that mean that there aren't any victims?
So the fact that Palestinian nationalism is a byproduct of Zionism means something when innocent people die?
You know that Zionism is a byproduct of anti-Semitism? Can I say "Jews weren't victims of the Holocaust and European anti-Semitism in general because if it wasn't for that anti-Semitism, there would never have been Zionism or Israel" ... I still don't blame you for being such a brainwashed tool...
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 14, 2005, 08:52:29 AM ---If there are some Palestinians who "thrive" on Zionism, does that mean that there aren't any victims?
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Just like some AREN'T the victims of the Palestinian Leadership?
I can't believe you can't see the generalization.
People have suffered on both sides, and it's not like you can't address these people, only that when you do you need to maintain neutrality, without exaggerating reality in the favour of one side. A statement like "The Palestinian People have been victims of Zionism" is a reality twister, because when you say "The Palestinian People..." it is implied that the entire Palestinian People is
a victim of Zionism(and that's without even minding the meaning of the term 'Victim' or the term 'Zionism') and that every Zionist is anti-Palestinian -both implications are untrue. Rhetorically speaking, when a single statement is not based on logic/reality, it is propaganda. That's it, and this is what I have been trying to show you all along since a generalization could also be made as for the Palestinian People being a victim of their leadership but the fact you chose not to do so, sayes something about your neutrality.
p.s check it:
Every Nazi is Anti-Jewish(by definition) but not every Zionist is Anti-Palestinian....do you accept?
do you see it or is this a tough one?
Let's use another analogy:Talib Kweli-The Proud:
"Today the paper say Timothy McVeigh's in hell
So everything's okay and all must be well
I remember Oklahoma when they put out the blaze
And put Islamic terrorist bombing, on the front page It's like saying only gays get AIDS, propaganda"
J @ M @ L:
You're wrong once again... which isn't unusual.
People have suffered on both sides... you said it... which means that Palestinians have suffered because of Zionism. That's all you needed to say. Why do you argue if you're going to end up agreeing?
I never stated that every single Palestinian was a victim... I also never stated that every Zionist is anti-Palestinian... just because they have no regard for them in a lot of their actions, doesn't make them "anti" anything...
LOL @ "reality twister" coming from a Zionist... the whole Zionist ideology is a reality twister. "Land with no People".. LOL get the fuck outta here
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